Is this a string bet?
 

Resorts in Indiana 5-10 nl.

Player brings chips out with both hands, in front of his cards, drops the chips out of one hand (other hand is in front of his cards), then tries to bring the other chips down to bet with them as well. Dealer calls a string bet. Legit or not?

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Dealer calls a string bet. Legit or not?

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Nope. Dealers can't call string bets. Only players in the hand.

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Dealer calls a string bet. Legit or not?

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Nope. Dealers can't call string bets. Only players in the hand.

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I've seen tons of dealers call a string bet at many different casinos.

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Dealer calls a string bet. Legit or not?

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Nope. Dealers can't call string bets. Only players in the hand.

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Depends on the room. In some rooms the dealer is required to call string bets.

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Resorts in Indiana 5-10 nl.

Player brings chips out with both hands, in front of his cards, drops the chips out of one hand (other hand is in front of his cards), then tries to bring the other chips down to bet with them as well. Dealer calls a string bet.

Legit or not?

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Im gonna say the this sounds like it was probably a string bet.

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Unless he brought both hands out at the same time, it is considered two moves( right hand, then left hand) and therefore a string.
If he brings both hand/chips out at the SAME time then no string.

Dealer calling strings is room dependant.

It is arguable that if the rule is posted "string bets are not allowed" then the dealer SHOULD call strings as it is a house rule and should be enforced uniformly by the dealers.

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Protect the players, sometimes the opponent wants the other player to raise more.

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Unless he brought both hands out at the same time, it is considered two moves( right hand, then left hand) and therefore a string.
If he brings both hand/chips out at the SAME time then no string.


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He brought both hands out at the same time

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I was thinking that Resorts in Indiana (much to my surprise) used traditional NL betting rules, so no not a string bet.

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The intent of the string bet rule is (in the absence of a verbal declarartion) to make a player put his chips into the pot in one unambiguous motion.

Dropping one fistful of chips....






and then dropping the second fistful

is not one continuous motion.
Tell Junior to grow up, stop watching TV pokah, and play Poker.

My vote is for string bet.

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Dealer calls a string bet. Legit or not?

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Nope. <font color="red">Dealers can't call string bets.</font> Only players in the hand.

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<font color="red">Wrong.</font>



Poker Tournament Directors Association:

<font color="blue">Rule #39:String Raises. Dealers will be responsible for calling string raises.</font>

TDA Web Site

And...

According to Robert's Rules of Poker:

String raises are not allowed. <font color="blue">The dealer should enforce obvious infractions to this string-raise law without being asked.</font> To protect your right to raise, you should either declare your intention verbally or place the proper amount of chips into the pot. Putting a full bet plus a half-bet or more into the pot is considered to be the same as announcing a raise, and the raise must be completed. (This does not apply in the use of a single chip of greater value.)

Robert's Rules of Poker


And, yes it will vary from location to location- but most dealers (that I've sat at tables with) call string bets. The reason- if a player is forced to call a string bet it can convey weakness in your hand. If your hand is strong you want as much money in the pot.

Hope this helps.

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Dealers not calling string bets is very standard in the places that spread bigger games. The TDA change this spring was very surprising but it has nothing to do with cash games. Robert thinks it should be "no string bets allowed," but this is one of the few spots he is out of step with the actual rules.

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The TDA change this spring was very surprising but it has nothing to do with cash games.

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I referenced the TDA rule to show that, across the board- in both Cash &amp; Tourney games, Dealers are suppose to call string bets.

Which, I think is fair. But then again- my opinion rarely matters. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The TDA change this spring was very surprising but it has nothing to do with cash games.

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I referenced the TDA rule to show that, across the board- in both Cash &amp; Tourney games, Dealers are suppose to call string bets.

Which, I think is fair. But then again- my opinion rarely matters. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I would say not calling string bets is the more common rule (it is that way in all the card barns).

They do call string bets in out of the way places like Las Vegas [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
This might be a good place to mention that I hear all the time "they do it that way in Vegas." I would say at least 80% of the people working in poker in Vegas are clueless.

edit to add: As you go up in limits the argument for the dealer staying out of it goes up. At the higher limits it is much more likely for the players to understand what is or isn't a string bet than the dealers.

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Tell Junior to grow up, stop watching TV pokah, and play Poker.

My vote is for string bet.

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It was an old guy with trouble handling chips. I don't know if that should make a difference.

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What constitutes a string bet and what's overlooked by the room and who is supposed to call it varies WIDELY. TDA and Robert's aren't law, they're attempts to standardize. If this is something that concerns you, check with the floor staff before playing.

The OP is a little vague, but it sounds like in our room, most wouldn't call it a string bet. However, it's up to the players to declare it. Were I the dealer, I'd call the floor over, because technically in our room even if it's one hand and released in two motions (no matter how quick), it can be considered a string bet, but I've never seen anybody call that one.

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And, yes it will vary from location to location- but most dealers (that I've sat at tables with) call string bets. The reason- if a player is forced to call a string bet it can convey weakness in your hand. If your hand is strong you want as much money in the pot.


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The dealer doesn't know how strong your hand is. If I have quads on the river, and my opponent makes a very large bet that's clearly a string bet, I don't want the dealer to say anything. This has happened before and I was very unhappy. It's not protecting me to interfere in my hand.

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The dealer doesn't know how strong your hand is. If I have quads on the river, and my opponent makes a very large bet that's clearly a string bet, I don't want the dealer to say anything. This has happened before and I was very unhappy. It's not protecting me to interfere in my hand.

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True, but by the same token if you are bluffing the turn and the dealer doesn't call it you don't want to make a stink yourself and reveal how weak you are if you wanted to throw another bluff out on the river, so having the dealer enforce the rules would be helpful in this case no?

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Letting the players call it removes the dealer from having too much influence on the game. I can certainly imagine the headache at my room if I made judgment calls, considering that technically a lot of string betting happens every hand. I'm there to keep the game going smoothly for the players. Usually it's minor and not any sort of angle-shoot (whereas calling a string bet often is), and it's a lot easier to let the game move along smoothly. If a player in the hand has issue with it, s/he says something, and I deal with it.

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As added information, the dude who made the bet was easily 70 years old and did everything a little slowly. He brought 2 handfulls of red chips forward and released one hand before the other. Dealer immediatley called a string bet and was adamaent that he was correct. Most of the table was a little stunned at the dealer but nobody seemed too upset.

OP-I'm pretty sure I was sitting on your right most of the afternoon. I tried to take the 8 seat when you moved over. Tough day yesterday. Your last hand was beyond sick. I also folded 2 spades when the 6 seat ck-pushed the flop and hit his spade flush on you.

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True, but by the same token if you are bluffing the turn and the dealer doesn't call it you don't want to make a stink yourself and reveal how weak you are if you wanted to throw another bluff out on the river, so having the dealer enforce the rules would be helpful in this case no?

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Not sure what you are saying. If I'm bluffing the turn I'm betting. And if I don't want to be called on a string bet I won't string bet.

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Not trying to hijack the thread, but I was playing at the Beau in Biloxi a couple of days ago. Nice lady on my right said "raise" (LHE game), then pushed her chips with two hands but not exactly at the same time. (She sort of "bobbled" the chips that were in her non-dominant hand.) The dealer- and only the dealer- told her that was a string bet and that she could only call. I wasn't in the hand and told him that she clearly said "raise" before comitting her chips to the pot. He never addressed her saying "raise", only that her chips went into the pot in "two motions." She briefly objected, but was too nice to debate the point and pulled the raise back. None of the other players questioned the dealer's ruling, nor did they object to her raise by calling it a string bet.

Any comments?

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Dealer's an idiot and/or control freak.

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True, but by the same token if you are bluffing the turn and the dealer doesn't call it you don't want to make a stink yourself and reveal how weak you are if you wanted to throw another bluff out on the river, so having the dealer enforce the rules would be helpful in this case no?

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Not sure what you are saying. If I'm bluffing the turn I'm betting. And if I don't want to be called on a string bet I won't string bet.

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What he's saying is that you bet as a bluff, and your opponent string raises. If you call him on it it's an indication that you are weak, which will interfere with your ability to make a follow-up bluff on the river. If you don't you have to deal with this raise now, which you'd rather not. So it's to your advantage for a neutral party to call it.

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Yes it sounds like a string bet to me