$50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

villain is 19/11 likes to check raise. Should I be folding this preflop after being raised? How do you play this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($48.25)
SB ($52.55)
BB ($42.50)
Hero ($93.50)
MP ($48.50)
CO ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $7.5</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $5.50.

Flop: ($15.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $13</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $41</font>, Hero calls $28.

Turn: ($97.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($97.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $97.75

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

fold pf. otherwise, this is standard. sorry you lost

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

LOL who said I cant post a hand that I win. Thought it was an interesting situation. This guy I know has no problem playing big pots, so doesnt that give me the implied odds to call to hit my set?

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

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This guy I know has no problem playing big pots, so doesnt that give me the implied odds to call to hit my set?

[/ QUOTE ]Fold preflop. Calling is bad bad bad.

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LOL who said I cant post a hand that I win. Thought it was an interesting situation. This guy I know has no problem playing big pots, so doesnt that give me the implied odds to call to hit my set?

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if you won fine, that's not the point. this guy's 3bet range is crushing you. if you were both deep it would be a different story.

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

Maybe I have been playing live too much. If I am pretty sure this guy will pay me off with AA if i hit my set why do I not call? I am almost 200bb deep

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Maybe I have been playing live too much. If I am pretty sure this guy will pay me off with AA if i hit my set why do I not call? I am almost 200bb deep

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your stack size is irrelevant b/c he has less than you. you effectively have 97bbs.

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

ok that still kind of deep right?

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

no. it's &lt;full buy-in

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Maybe I have been playing live too much. If I am pretty sure this guy will pay me off with AA if i hit my set why do I not call? I am almost 200bb deep

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your stack size is irrelevant b/c he has less than you. you effectively have 97bbs.

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It's a leak to call here. It's tempting to look just at the odds of hitting your set, but there is more involved. Significantly, he will occasionally suck-out or flop set-over-set.

Let's assume he has AA, and is going to shove any flop. You call on any flop with a 7. Let the size of the remaining stacks going to the flop be 1 unit.
x denotes any card that is not an A or 7.
P(7xx Flop) = 2*44c2 / 48c3 = 0.109389454
P(A7x Flop) = 2*2*44c1 / 48c3 = 0.010175763

On the 7xx flop, your equity is about 90% (He can catch an A or a 4-flush)
Ev (7xx Flop) = (1) * (90%) - (1) * (10%) = 0.80

On the A7x flop, your equity is about 5%
Ev (A7x Flop) = -0.90

I'm going to ignore the instances of quads (about 50x less likely that a set)

Ev (seeing a flop) = 0.109389454 * 0.80 - 0.010175763 * 0.90
= 0.078353

1/0.078353 = 12.76269185

So even in this idealised case, your implied odds are 11.7:1 (note this is not enough to call in OP)

If we put him on a more realistic (yet still conservative) range of AK,QQ+ it's even worse. He will not stack off with QQ,KK on ace-high flops, cutting your implied odds some more. AK is terrible for you - the chance of both AK and 77 hitting is about 3%, so setmining is not going to work... yet you are going to lose the flops where you both miss, because even when it's obvious the flop missed AK, his range (QQ+,AK) is too strong to continue against:

Board: 9s 5h 2d
201,960 games 0.005 secs 40,392,000 games/sec

Board: 9s 5s 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.462% 60.46% 00.00% 122109 0.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.538% 39.54% 00.00% 79851 0.00 { 77 }

I think that even against a 3-bettor you need at least 15:1 implied odds to setmine.

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

well it turned out he had 99 for a better set. I guess I have been playing too much live, the guys I am playing against always stack off, so I need what like 3 more people to play this to the flop?

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

once last question. With his taggish stats wouldnt any PP be an option here? What about like 55 or 44, is that outside of the range for his 3 bet stats? If i am raising with TT or JJ and get RR should I be folding there too?

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

This is in the wrong forum.

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

how is it the wrong forum its a post about a hand, pretend the hand is tt or jj

Re: $50nl bottom set monotone flop your play?
 

post this in micro section.

you need to be deeper to call PF, I'd say 130bb each minimum.

Also, how does playing live have anything to do with this? YOur spewing chips either way.