My Head Asploded
 

I spike my set on the river, then out of nowhere, ACTION!!

$10/$25 No Limit Holdem
6 players

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$1409.15</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$3124.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$660.00</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$2940.00</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$5490.50</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$953.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($35, 6 players) Hero is UTG 1 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $50</font>, Hero calls $50, 3 folds, BB calls $25

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($160, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($160, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $25</font>, UTG calls $25, Hero calls $25

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($235, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $235</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG goes all-in $1334.15</font>, <font color="#0000cc">Hero?</font>

BB is unknown short stacker that just sat, UTG is guy Ive played before that my notes say "called pf rer w QT" and "called 3 barrels with top pair"... so donkish tendencies, but I dunno if he's decent or not.

I didnt reraise pf because of his shortish stack.

So now what?

Re: My Head Asploded
 

I'd call this pretty quick vs. a random guy with only 1300

Re: My Head Asploded
 

hmmmmm this reaks of 2 pair but would also be scared of slowplayed set... would villain raise pre with 67s? the way its been played that could be a possibility - check flop call turn with double gutter value shove river.... most likely 2 pair though imo so call.

Re: My Head Asploded
 

at least your head asploded, seems that would be easier than laying this hand down. Foldable, but crying call seems in order.

Re: My Head Asploded
 

is this even foldable?

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to me, the term crying call means that the hand is foldable. That definitely doesn't mean I'm going to fold, and a set of 8's might even be good enough here to make calling every time more profitable than folding every time. However, i think we're beat here at least 25%.

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I would fold this. These random guys are totally possible of having AA/99 and trying to make a "smart" slowplay. Alos 76 got there and it wouldnt be the biggest shock if either of them had it.

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call and im not crying

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to me, the term crying call means that the hand is foldable. That definitely doesn't mean I'm going to fold, and a set of 8's might even be good enough here to make calling every time more profitable than folding every time. However, i think we're beat here at least 25%.

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That's not a very good argument for folding.

Re: My Head Asploded
 

instacall holy christ

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instacall

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Instafold, you waiting for a flashing neon sign telling you that UTG is uberdonk with min-raised, overslowplayed AA??

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is this even foldable?

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Re: My Head Asploded
 

wtf, snap call.

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Snapcall and beat A8/berate AA.

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Yeah I really don't think you can fold here.

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I don't play high stakes, but how often are short stacks raising something that can have 2pair on this board from UTG. Can you beat anything that is not a bluff, which doesnt make much sense?

Re: My Head Asploded
 

instafold

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Have to call IMO. Worse sets and two pair probably play it the same.

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I think if UTG's minraise is a good indication of AA than a fold is very reasonable here.

I have always taken a pref minraise without super short stacks to be a sign of weakness though, so 55 or 33 would seem more reasonable to me.

Re: My Head Asploded
 

its foldable but what are u doing on the turn?

Re: My Head Asploded
 

wait misread the hand, its not foldable.

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I probably would've folded the turn.

As played it seems like this guy could be pushing top two here, i'd call.

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its foldable but what are u doing on the turn?

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Villain minbet the turn. What else should OP have done, other than just call the $25?

Re: My Head Asploded
 

and all you people saying the minraise represents AA are just stupid

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At first I thought that this looked like a fold but then I noticed they were both short stacks and short stacks usually suck which makes it a call.

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with these stacks I don't dump it

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with these stacks I don't dump it

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ya. Too likely UTG thinks AK/two pair is the nuts here with these stacks, and BB looks to be running some stupid bluff some of the time

Re: My Head Asploded
 

76 &gt; 50%

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given his donk-like nature I would probably call. However, if he was a decent player I think this is a fold.

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I really dont think twopairs is a big part in any of the two guys ranges. I also think this is a bluff close to zero percent of the time since it would be really weird to minraise pre check twice and then push the river. I do think lower set is possible. I wouldnt read too much into the minraise pre since i know some like to do it with monster and some do with weak hands.

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76 &gt; 50%

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yeah wtf i call so much but I'd find a fold here instantly, then I saw a bunch of reponses and was like what? this is a close decision?

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BB can have any 2 since he only had to call $25 into a $135. Would be funny if BB had 24 and UTG had AA.

I think you are &lt;50% chance to win here, but due to stack sizes, I'd talk myself into a call and then berate myself afterwards when I discovered I was in 3rd place.

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i dont fold, but i never fold.