Al Schoonmaker is being stubborn
 

He's standing here in my office telling me he lost interest in participating in this forum.

Should I screw with his royalty payments or should we just let him be?

Re: Al Schoonmaker is being stubborn
 

He must have lost his senses.
I vote let him be.

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make him post in bbv4lyfe

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Did he ever participate here?

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He is in need of psychotherapy.

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He's standing here in my office telling me he lost interest in participating in this forum.

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I understand. I've lost interest in participating in 2+2 as a whole for the most part.

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He's standing here in my office telling me he lost interest in participating in this forum.

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I understand. I've lost interest in participating in 2+2 as a whole for the most part.

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Yeah, I understand where he's coming from.

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Should I screw with his royalty payments or should we just let him be?

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give him some homework to do a short on performance enhancing drugs (mental) for poker, crosspost here and on magazine.

I mean, piracetam/hydergine was so 90's, we need a new drug regimen.

Re: Al Schoonmaker is being stubborn
 

He didn't contribute much anyway, let him be.

Re: Al Schoonmaker is being stubborn
 

Find some Al Shonmucker or Shunmoker in a small town and start sending him the checks every month.

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Does the royalty contract require him to post here?

There are plenty of other 2p2 authors who don't participate on the forums. Are their royalties getting screwed with?

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Yes, Dr. Al used to be quite active in this forum and I miss him.

That said, I kinda understand his reluctence. The 2p2 boards are not what they were several years ago. With the growth in members, it is not the community it once was and the open hostility from both posters and moderators has become common.

I'll miss you Al, but I understand.

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How can Al live with himself while he sits back and watches us armchair psychologists give out terrible life advice?

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Hope it didn have anything to do with my recent slating of his book the psychology of poker....

But anyway from the way he comes across in his book him refusing to participate any longer doesnt really surprise me...

Can i ask what his reason is.

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That's a good point, Al. I think you should at least post your explanation. I'm assuming he'll read this, but perhaps not.

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you made at least 23 posts yesterday. does that represent a lack of interest, or do you continue posting with less enthusiasm?

I'm always open to feedback on the site and what encourages/discourages posters.

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I've been registered for three years here and have barely made any posts. Before it was because I was intimidated, but lately it's just because the site seems to have been taken over by the "baller" attiude you see a lot in poker today. The posts are so full of "inside baseball" verbage that it's almost impossible for someone who isn't in the club to decipher what is being said.

I still love 2p2 and find a lot of meaningful content here. There is also qiite a bit of junk that just screams "outsiders not welcome".

It could just be me, though.

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Its not just u... I have asked many times what SIMP qft ldn and the like stand for....

I still dont know but i find teh spellaments and grammaments very funny.

Does it really matter that u dnt know these sporadic abbreviations... I find the posts pretty clear generally, just stay away from BBv4life.

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Should I screw with his royalty payments or should we just let him be?

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Very professional and businesslike, makes me want to do business with you in the future if I was a potential investor, backer or wahtever reading these forums anonymously.

You sound like a pissed off 17 year old.

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Its not just u... I have asked many times what SIMP qft ldn and the like stand for....

I still dont know but i find teh spellaments and grammaments very funny.

Does it really matter that u dnt know these sporadic abbreviations... I find the posts pretty clear generally, just stay away from BBv4life.

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just pm the poster that said the abbreviations and they usually pm u back with what they mean ( the only way I learned what they ment), and bbv4life is like a college frat house, they are all pretty rowdy young people and they haze everyone but its all in fun for most posters anyway

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i dunno if a lot of ppl get that many of the posts made here are not intended to be serious. this is supposed to be a community right? what's wrong with a community having some humor? I guess it sucks for serious minded people, but if the community was super serious, then it would suck for the goofy folk. and there is absolutely still a lot of serious posts out there.

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Its not just u... I have asked many times what SIMP qft ldn and the like stand for....

I still dont know but i find teh spellaments and grammaments very funny.

Does it really matter that u dnt know these sporadic abbreviations... I find the posts pretty clear generally, just stay away from BBv4life.

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QFT: Quoted for Truth
LDO: Like, duh, Obviously

Urban Dictionary should help out with any others.

....and I think the whole "Balla" thing is hilarious, especially given the nerdy kids who've never been away from home that it emanates from.

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Very professional and businesslike, makes me want to do business with you in the future if I was a potential investor, backer or wahtever reading these forums anonymously.

You sound like a pissed off 17 year old.

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You sound like someone with no sense of humour and a big, misguided chip on his shoulder. Am I right?

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A man always has two reasons for the things he does---- a
good one and the real one.
--- J.P. Morgan

Re: Al Schoonmaker is being stubborn
 

Send me the checks. I'll find something to write.

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Very professional and businesslike, makes me want to do business with you in the future if I was a potential investor, backer or wahtever reading these forums anonymously.

You sound like a pissed off 17 year old.

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You sound like someone with no sense of humour and a big, misguided chip on his shoulder. Am I right?

[/ QUOTE ] Nah. He just sounds like a tool to right something like that about one of the owners of this site. Either we play to much around on this site or people are just to dam dorkie and don't know when to seriously play around.

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He's standing here in my office telling me he lost interest in participating in this forum.

Should I screw with his royalty payments or should we just let him be?

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Al is like that. Getting mad at him for being stubborn is like getting mad at the sun for being all shiny and hot.

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I've been registered for three years here and have barely made any posts. Before it was because I was intimidated, but lately it's just because the site seems to have been taken over by the "baller" attiude you see a lot in poker today. The posts are so full of "inside baseball" verbage that it's almost impossible for someone who isn't in the club to decipher what is being said.

I still love 2p2 and find a lot of meaningful content here. There is also qiite a bit of junk that just screams "outsiders not welcome".

It could just be me, though.

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It isn't. I am, I suppose, as close to a "professional message board poster" as can be found. Been on boards for almost twenty years now - ancient history. ALL forums get this way unless the managers are pros at forums - not just pros at their topic or at computer code.

It's actually been the subject of a few dissertations, I was told. It is also the nature of people to form groups, we are a social but territorial species. And any three kids will make a club so thay can exclude the third. Point is: unless you have a forum pro who knows how to manage this inevitable slide into proprietary cliqueishness - posting drops off, people lose interest and pretty much every thread devolves into a flame war.

As to the cyberspeak issue - they handle it very well on The Leaky Lounge site - a Harry Potter forum: they don't allow it. As they do not allow any language but English at a table in the WSOP, they don't allow incomprehensible posts.

(I think that site did more for literacy in America than all the elementary school teachers put together.)

It's the responsibilty of the list owner to grow the site, guide the evolution of the dialogue, train moderators and so forth. Most don't have the time or the experience.

But it's not just you.

-prax<---always ready with a long-winded dissertation on any topic!

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Do you have a link to any of the dissertations? I've always considered forum sociology a fascinating topic.

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I'm always open to feedback on the site and what encourages/discourages posters.

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I have been around here a long time. I went away for a bit (and I am very thankful to Al Schoonmaker for the advice he gave me through this forum) and when I got back what struck me most was the size...The forum has lost its intimacy. It used to be a cherised secret but now it is mainstream. All of which, is good for the forum but bad for the sense of community.

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Just let him be.

I really liked the Psychology of Poker a lot.

Tell him that I said, "Nice job on the book."

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Tell him you don't want to be interested in this forum anyway.

I hear psychologist fall for reverse psychology every time.

PS- Your Worst Poker Enemy is most excellent.

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Very professional and businesslike, makes me want to do business with you in the future if I was a potential investor, backer or wahtever reading these forums anonymously.

You sound like a pissed off 17 year old.

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You sound like you don't understand sarcasm.

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Do you have a link to any of the dissertations? I've always considered forum sociology a fascinating topic.

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No, that's why I said "I was told" this. I used to live near a University and I did check the abstracts once, but couldn't find anything. Then I realized how many disciplines it could be under and gave up. Haven't Googled it in a few years, ought to go do that now that so much is on the 'net compared to ten years ago. It is interesting, though. When I took Primatology in college I spent some days observing at the zoo, they had a nice outdoor habitat for capuchins and it used to remind me of forum behaviors - you know, Alpha Males, even Alpha females on some boards.

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Let him be, he's probably just a little on tilt.

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What is Al's login name? I read both of his books, enjoyed both of them, and came here to search for his posts, but have no idea where and/or how to find them.

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What is Al's login name? I read both of his books, enjoyed both of them, and came here to search for his posts, but have no idea where and/or how to find them.

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bump

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click Search (up the top of the page), type 'Al Schoonmaker' in the Username Search box, select whatever date range you're looking for.

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Do you have a link to any of the dissertations? I've always considered forum sociology a fascinating topic.

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No, that's why I said "I was told" this. I used to live near a University and I did check the abstracts once, but couldn't find anything. Then I realized how many disciplines it could be under and gave up. Haven't Googled it in a few years, ought to go do that now that so much is on the 'net compared to ten years ago. It is interesting, though. When I took Primatology in college I spent some days observing at the zoo, they had a nice outdoor habitat for capuchins and it used to remind me of forum behaviors - you know, Alpha Males, even Alpha females on some boards.

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It's a been a few years since I was in the industry, but I think the first major treatment was Community Building on the Web by Amy Jo Kim.

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I'm always open to feedback on the site and what encourages/discourages posters.

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These forums are 100% of what you make of them. But one thing really bugs me: the load of people with less than 300 posts who come into someone's strategy thread and all they have to say is "Oh god, that is so bad. PM your screenname on the site you play." and think they actually made a good point. I think there should be a forum rule that rewards this behaviour with insta-account-deletion.

Since Al writes in his books that rudeness and impoliteness tilts him, I can see why he could severly dislike a lot of what is going on in the threads here. I just read one thread where a poster had nothing better to do than offending someone that he should learn to write, because that someone forgot one "get" in his post. He wasn't even the OP or subject to critique or anything. I'm growing extremely tired of these kinds of post. Seriously.