common to have this much of a br swing???
 

Ok here's the problem. I play mostly low limit sng's. Average of $5 buy-in and no more than 3 at a time. I started at $100 and have managed several times to get it to $200. Lately it has divebombed from $200 to $70. I feel like i'm playing well. Paying attetion to postion, playing well before the flop as in getting away from hands than can get me into trouble, ect. I was just wondering what kind of swing in your br is normal from just "bad luck" or a bad run of cards or is there something else i need to be watching in my game. i've gone from consisantly cashing to constantly being bubble or worse. it's driving me crazy!! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

are you using ICM push/fold techniques?

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

While its definitley possible to have that type of swing while playing well, I would be suprised if you don't have many leaks you are unaware of. Keep reading and post hands and the swings should calm down a bit.

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are you using ICM push/fold techniques?

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I seem to be doing a good job of that. If i get around 10 bb's i either raise or fold and i usually don't have to worry about that till the blinds get big. early i like to keep the pot small unless i'm almost nutted.

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are you playing turbos or regulars? how often do you study your hand histories afterwards? do you have SNGPT or sngwiz? do you have pokertracker? do you keep track of your stats? all of these things are important factors when trying to evaluate your play and figure out if your swings are normal or if you have big leaks in your game.

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

get sngwiz for sure

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

downswings suck. go over hand histories and im sure you will find something youre doing wrong. if youre not sure, post hands here and someone will help you out

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

I'd agree with Kevin and ajp. Ive gone through a few swings recently which I'd have to attribute to developing leaks moreso than a bad string of cards. Post even the simplest hands you're thinking about in the forum... a good number of people will reply.

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

The problem with reviewing your own HHs is that you usually think you are playing correctly in spots that are big leaks so you won't be able to find them yourself. Sure late game you can use SNGWiz but anytime before big blinds you won't find anything without either posting on 2p2 or, even better, sending full HHs to another solid player to review for you.

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ok my last question on this topic is.....is it possible to build a good br from low limit sngs or am i banging my head against the wall for no reason?

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

rookie,

yes, the games are profitable. you can start pretty much arbitrarily low and build to pretty much arbitrarily high. it depends on time, skill, and effort.

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ok my last question on this topic is.....is it possible to build a good br from low limit sngs or am i banging my head against the wall for no reason?

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Yes it is possible. If you have the skill to beat higher limits, though this approach doesn't make any sense. At low limit S&Gs, playing three tables, you might be able to make only $2/hour. You would be better off getting a job and saving money until you had enough bankroll to play at higher limits. Of course, if you just play for fun and building a bankroll is secondary, than this approach is fine.

Regarding downswings, theoretically a downswing of any amount is possible. The more you play, the larger downswing you might experience (which is why the idea of a fixed bankroll is wrong, you need to let your bankroll grow). If a winning player plays 10,000 tournaments, a 50 buy-in downswing at some point is completely normal. On the other hand a 50 buy-in downswing would be fairly unusual for a winning player over just a few hundred tournaments. On the (other) other hand if 200 winning players each play a few hundred tournaments, one of them will probably have a 50 buy-in downswing.

Given the above, though, as others have alluded to, don't fall into the trap of assuming a downswing is due to running bad. More often than not it is due to bad play. Regardless of the cause, it is a good idea to continuously evaluate your play.

Paul

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get sngwiz for sure

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sngwiz is the nuts..
although i'm push/folding correctly >90% of the time and still downswinging.

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

downswings are for donks

Re: common to have this much of a br swing???
 

OP,

this downswing is pretty standard though not as much at the 5 dollar buy ins while 3 tabling. listen to recommendations on sngwiz and plugging potential leaks. i wouldnt worry a lot about this downswing if youre reviewing your game, it is basically nothing compared to noted downswings on this forum from winning players.