getting value out of nfd?
 

here on the turn im unsure how to proceed. it feels that a pot turn bet is uneccesary, or too big to get called by anything i want a call from.

i understand it may fold out a two pair or straight draws.
is the full pot really necessary?

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.25, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $9.95</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($35.1, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $35.1)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $33.4</font>, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $33.4 returned to Hero.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($35.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $35.1)
Results:
Final pot: $35.1

furthermore, am i reading this right? his c/c is either a weak 2pr, straight draw-with not much of a wrap otherwise he may raise? and sets are out of the questions b/c he would repot me on the flop. so am i only folding out 2prs and straight draws?

wouldnt a less than pot accomplish the same thing? especially if hes on a lower flush draw? its 50pl, i feel hell call a decent vbet on riv if it is so.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

It's most likely a bare flush or bare straight draw. Bet 1/2 - 2/3 pot on turn and cry on the river when he has KcQc64.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

leaving in that he folded is going to severely bias responses

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

yeah gregg i noticed that but for some reason i coudnt find the edit function. i normally dont do that but the edit buttons not there.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

remp-thanks for the advice, makes sense.

do i:
1. i check behind on river
2. make an uber vbet-though i dont see what calls me, so this looks less likely
3. if he leads for 2/3pot, fold? pot? give him j6?

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

Doesn't really matter. Most players are too happy to get chips in with two pair on the flop or turn, so the only thing left is a straight or flush draw.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

Bet 4.90 on flop because it accomplishes samething as your $5 bet except it lets you reraise if the shorty goes all-in.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

Most of the time with one pair on the river you should check behind unless a scare card comes that makes a straight that is likely to make the villain fold some crappy two pair.

Generally unless the villain is pretty aggro people are afraid to bluff just to win the sidepot so its most likely a fold if he leads the river and you haven't improved.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

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Bet 4.90 on flop because it accomplishes samething as your $5 bet except it lets you reraise if the shorty goes all-in.

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wow
very smart

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

on an aside, even if i set "bad beats good vibes converter to 2p2 im still not getting stacks to show up, any help here?

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

This is actually a good spot to just pot because you don't really want the SB to fold. OP is crushing pretty much all drawing hands and is a favorite over two pair so making it so that the SB or whoever can coldcall like this because he thinks you screwed up gets you a lot of value on the turn.

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

ill fall for the noob trap...

as you said remp, i crush most everything and i dont want the sb to fold. being that im agaisnt just the sb, whats the value in potting if it folds out a lot of hands i crush? dont i still get good value on river without potting the turn?

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

Check 'Show stacks (NL and PL)?'

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

thanks,used to other converters either having it adjacent to it or it being a default setting.

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Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

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Bet 4.90 on flop because it accomplishes samething as your $5 bet except it lets you reraise if the shorty goes all-in.

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wow
very smart

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it should be a standard play to always look at your opponents stack sizes both pre and post flop, and always bet this way so you can come over the top of limpers not paying attention - works especially well in MTT's during the first hour [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: getting value out of nfd?
 

No you pot the flop against observant players because it makes them think you [censored] up in allowing them in with their draw without you being able to reraise. If they aren't that observant they will still call with crappy flush / straight draws they probably would have folded if you'd been able to reraise.

The only value you will get unimproved on the river is against stubborn KKxx kind of hands so generally a check behind is best.