KQs vs. LAG
 

villan is very active. He's playing like 38/28 or something like that- he is in alot of pots. He has beaten me in a few smaller pots (ie. I raise he calls, I cb/he calls, I c/f turn) but nothing too huge. He's very very active and running fairly hot.

Anyhoo, Hero should have an okay image, not really too out of line. Thoughts on turn play? Stacks are awkward.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $336.85
Hero (BB): $264.80
UTG: $284.90
CO: $257.85
BTN: $266.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $8.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $27.00</font>, BTN calls $19.00

Flop: ($55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>, BTN calls $40.00

Turn: ($135) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ...

c/c some bets and c/f larger ones? bet/call?

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if you've generally been c/fing the turn i like firing again here, but maybe that's a bad idea if the other times weren't 3bet pots.

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$95 seems sexy. call if you have odds.


I also like a slightly smaller flop-bet.

edit: no scrap that. Flop bet is fine.

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I don't think villain is folding an A here so I just check and see what he does.

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$125 call shove?

You could also c/c a small bet but meh.

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I don't think villain is folding an A here so I just check and see what he does.

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i agree that c/c is better against this guy in general, but shouldn't we double barrel sometimes so as not to encourage him to float us?

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I bet 115-125 on the turn since you've been check folding a lot of turns he has to give you credit for something like AK here w/ the 3Bet. The fact that you're holding a K and a Q makes AK and AQ less likely and you probably get him to fold AJ there.

If he calls or shoves you have outs...

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I really hate c/c here. Bet/call folds out everything in his range except AK/AA and maybe AQ. 77-KK have an easy fold if you bet $130ish.

So yeah bet/call looks good.

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$95 seems sexy. call if you have odds.


I also like a slightly smaller flop-bet.

edit: no scrap that. Flop bet is fine.

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you need to bet more than that if you're bet/calling.

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I don't think villain is folding an A here so I just check and see what he does.

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i agree that c/c is better against this guy in general, but shouldn't we double barrel sometimes so as not to encourage him to float us?

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If you c/c is it with the intention of trying to take it away on the river?

Does anyone like a c/r all in line?

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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I don't think villain is folding an A here so I just check and see what he does.

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i agree that c/c is better against this guy in general, but shouldn't we double barrel sometimes so as not to encourage him to float us?

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If you c/c is it with the intention of trying to take it away on the river?

Does anyone like a c/r all in line?

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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I like a crai in this type of situation with this type of player.

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This is a tough situation, but I probably bet the turn again since you have bet the flop against him before and then c/f on the turn.

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crai is atrocious

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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c/ring turn is really bad. We're pricing him in to call even if he has something like pocket 9s and we have king high.

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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I think that if we CRAI and he has an A there's no chance of him folding that but if we double barrell there's more of a chance that he folds an A.

But I think we have to weigh when he has an A to when he has some FD or a PP.

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yeah, if we c/r ai he basically has to call.

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yeah if he knew our cards...but if you're villain you call with 99 because you're priced in? sorry if i'm misunderstanding you.

i'm not saying i'm doing this every time but you should mix it up now and then with your turn crai's. so you do it w/ your monsters and you do it against aggros as a semibluff. not just to fold their cards but to get paid another bet as well while doing it.

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no, you don't need to mix it up when you potstick the guy.

For example if he bets ~half his stack on the turn and u shove, there is no need to balance this. He's gunna call you cuz he's getting way too good odds and his entire stack is in there+he thought he had the best hand when he bet for value I dunno why he would think he's not still good.

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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c/ring turn is really bad. We're pricing him in to call even if he has something like pocket 9s and we have king high.

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I agree with the point that he's probably not going to fold to 80 more into a ~450 pot. But how are we pricing him in with pocket 9's? He's getting about 5.6:1 and needs about 19:1 to call / 9's.

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i like firing here again. if we check, he may just end up potting it and we have to fold; he could do this with a lot of marginal hands that he'll fold to a third barrel.

I fire for 115 (It's gotta be enough to price you in) and call a shove. I think he's folding a LOT here after his flop peel, so bet that [censored].

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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But how often will villain have an ace? He's 38/28, I think his ranges weigh more towards connectors and drawing hands than aces (maybe suited ace, but not many aces)

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Depends how lightly hes peeling the flop. If hes calling with less than an A a significant amount of the time or folds a weak Ace to a turn bet a significant amount of the time then betting is obviously best. Otherwise check/fold. This turn gets checked through and decent amount of the time though.

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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c/ring turn is really bad. We're pricing him in to call even if he has something like pocket 9s and we have king high.

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I agree with the point that he's probably not going to fold to 80 more into a ~450 pot. But how are we pricing him in with pocket 9's? He's getting about 5.6:1 and needs about 19:1 to call / 9's.

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vs our range.

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I bet again if he's been floating a lot.

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crai is atrocious

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seriously, whose idea was this?? worst option ever

stack sizes make every option kinda crappy. i guess bet/call is ok if we're getting like 4:1. i'd maybe assign our pair outs the total value of 1 out since occasionally he could semibluff shove something like 77 here.

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what about c/c and shove like any scarecard river?

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what about c/c and shove like any scarecard river?

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meh...i think villan will still call with any ace. clubs arent really a huge part of my range given PF action.

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what is this bet/call crap? Just shove.

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Given PF action I think the only viable options are Bet/Call and Check/Fold. I don't think you can check/call profitably at all. You won't be getting odds to draw even if you consider clubs as bluff outs Any idea what villains WTSD is? Is it possible he's floating JJ-KK?

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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He'd fold an A if we bet but call a c/r with one?

Wait, what!?

This guy has a very wide range for calling the flop. Of course an A doesn't fold, but lots of other pairs do.

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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He'd fold an A if we bet but call a c/r with one?

Wait, what!?

This guy has a very wide range for calling the flop. Of course an A doesn't fold, but lots of other pairs do.

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Are you advocating a C/Rai here? I think we have little to no FE vs. any reasonably sized bet.

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Depends how lightly hes peeling the flop. If hes calling with less than an A a significant amount of the time or folds a weak Ace to a turn bet a significant amount of the time then betting is obviously best. Otherwise check/fold. This turn gets checked through and decent amount of the time though.

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what are ur stats (in this session), orange? last i played with u they were like 16/12, in which case u should have a better chance of getting villain to fold weak aces.

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It really really depends how the cards are coming and how many bad players are at the table. Overall, I run 24/19ish but for alot of today, I ran like 15/11 during the middle of the day and like 25/20 at night (due to cards/players/etc). At this table, probably like 19/16 or so.

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IMO

90% pot bet/c &gt; c/f &gt; c/c &gt; crai

Although this assumes he sometimes won't have AK or AQ 100% and could be floating some wierd stuff. Otherwise you have 0 fe and I prefer

c/f &gt; c/c &gt; 90% pot bet/c &gt; crai

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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He'd fold an A if we bet but call a c/r with one?

Wait, what!?

This guy has a very wide range for calling the flop. Of course an A doesn't fold, but lots of other pairs do.

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Are you advocating a C/Rai here? I think we have little to no FE vs. any reasonably sized bet.

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No I am not.

I'm just pointing out that I don't think this type of villain folds any Ace no matter which line you take.

I agree with Jay, though, that it gets checked through a lot if you check.

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Given stack sizes and the fact that a PSB on the turn pot commits us, what is this bet/call crap? Just shove.

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wtf c/f the turn please (unless of course he is giving you direct odds)