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Pocket TT Against Overcards
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Ultimate Bet Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25./$0.5 10 players Converter Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 6 folds. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.4SB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls. Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.7BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls. River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.7BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls. Results: Final pot: 7.7BB |
Re: Pocket TT Against Overcards
Standard
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Villain raises the river. OP, your play?
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Villain raises the river. OP, your play? [/ QUOTE ] Personally, I fold. I was banking on him having a smaller pair. |
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[ QUOTE ] Villain raises the river. OP, your play? [/ QUOTE ] Personally, I fold. I was banking on him having a smaller pair. [/ QUOTE ] in that case i like your river bet. Kit |
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Looks good to me. With no turn raise or river fold, I think this is ace high/lower pocket pair a lot.
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Standard [/ QUOTE ] QFT. Just because he called down with some dumb Qx hand and beat you doesn't mean you played it poorly. |
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*grunch*
i play it the same and fold to to river raise cus if viallian is tight he can hold AJs,AQs,KQs But i dont know do I fold at turn? after c/r turn is easy fold ? (pot is small so probably yes) |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Villain raises the river. OP, your play? [/ QUOTE ] Personally, I fold. I was banking on him having a smaller pair. [/ QUOTE ] in that case i like your river bet. Kit [/ QUOTE ] Even if Hero would call a river raise I think there is value in the bet. Check/calling this river = I cant play poker |
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What hands do you expect him to call with?
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Even if Hero would call a river raise I think there is value in the bet. Calling a river raise = I can't play poker [/ QUOTE ] Fixed your post. |
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[ QUOTE ] Even if Hero would call a river raise I think there is value in the bet. Calling a river raise = I can't play poker [/ QUOTE ] Fixed your post. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that calling a river raise is bad and I dont want to nitpick but b/f >>>>>>> b/c >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> c/c |
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What hands do you expect him to call with? [/ QUOTE ] What worse hands do you expect him to bet with? He is calling A high and lower pp's. Even worse hands than A high will look you up here. |
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Oink, I agree that B/F is certainly better than c/c as long as hero doesnt get in the habit of making stupid river calls using some "but i'm getting 6:1" bs argument.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Even if Hero would call a river raise I think there is value in the bet. Calling a river raise = I can't play poker [/ QUOTE ] Fixed your post. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that calling a river raise is bad and I dont want to nitpick but b/f >>>>>>> b/c >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> c/c [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing this is for an unknown? Against a loose passive that might call with Ax or worse then a B/F makes sense. Against a particularly aggressive opponent that will bet when you show weakness but make you pay if he has Qx or Kx, then C/C does in fact, make sense. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Even if Hero would call a river raise I think there is value in the bet. Calling a river raise = I can't play poker [/ QUOTE ] Fixed your post. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that calling a river raise is bad and I dont want to nitpick but b/f >>>>>>> b/c >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> c/c [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing this is for an unknown? Against a loose passive that might call with Ax or worse then a B/F makes sense. Against a particularly aggressive opponent that will bet when you show weakness but make you pay if he has Qx or Kx, then C/C does in fact, make sense. [/ QUOTE ] Not really. Kx would often put in a raise earlier, and aggressive doesn't necessarily mean they'll valuebet a low pocket pair on this board, or turn their A high into a bluff. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Even if Hero would call a river raise I think there is value in the bet. Calling a river raise = I can't play poker [/ QUOTE ] Fixed your post. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that calling a river raise is bad and I dont want to nitpick but b/f >>>>>>> b/c >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> c/c [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing this is for an unknown? Against a loose passive that might call with Ax or worse then a B/F makes sense. Against a particularly aggressive opponent that will bet when you show weakness but make you pay if he has Qx or Kx, then C/C does in fact, make sense. [/ QUOTE ] Feel free to enlighten me with the worse hands in villains range that will bet if checked to and not call a bet. Ok, just reread the hand. So there is busted spade draws. So maybe 65ss, 98ss, T9ss and JTss will bet if checked to. But that is only 4 combos so I still think c/c is retarded (sorry!) against any villain. |
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Well the point is that it is opponent dependent and that saying such and such move is bad poker is too generalized.
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Well the point is that it is opponent dependent and that saying such and such move is bad poker is too generalized. [/ QUOTE ] General statements are most often useless but sometimes a play is bad against any kind of villain. Seriously! You should never c/c this river. |
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You think Ax and 99-22 is common enough for a bet? That really isn't that many hands. If he's the kind of person that has a betting range on the river wider than that, it makes sense to C/C. If you think it's going to be smaller than that then B/F makes sense. Unless he's horrible, he won't be calling down with much else that beats us.
Although him being horrible isn't out of the question. |
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I think him being good is out of the question.
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I think him being good is out of the question. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No read at all. [/ QUOTE ] |
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No way that a villain who coldcalls first in preflop is betting 22-99 and Ax more often than he is calling a bet with them.
This is going nowhere. I am sorry but c/c is retarded and extremely bad poker IMO. Edit: If villain is good then c/c is even more retarded! |
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Devil's Advocate is out of here. That was fun.
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There's a long chapter in Theory of Poker on that subject. I will understand it fully in maybe in 10 years but it says that if villains calls more than bets you should bet and bets or bluffs more you should ckeck. First that concept probably is not relevant for micro, second you need a specific read and third in micro almost all fall in the calling category anyway.
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There's a long chapter in Theory of Poker on that subject. I will understand it fully in maybe in 10 years but it says that if villains calls more than bets you should bet and bets or bluffs more you should ckeck. First that concept probably is not relevant for micro, second you need a specific read and third in micro almost all fall in the calling category anyway. [/ QUOTE ] This is false. The concept you're referring to works at all levels. If the conditions are right, you do one thing. If not, you do another. The fact that the hand is in the micros is just evidence towards whether the conditions are right or not. It is not related to whether the concept still holds water. |
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It's actually more relevant at lower limits b/c of all the calling stations.
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