villain raises to 2BB every button NLCASH
 

I call almost everytime, even trash I would fold to a 3BB raise. Is that right?

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lol

Be less specific pls.

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.5/1 blinds, my opponent raises to $2 every button. I call almost every time. Is this a leak?

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3-bet a lot more often.

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I would treat it as a check. Kinda like when its a $200 pot and villain leads into you for $4.

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You're getting 3-1 but you're out of position. You shouldn't be calling trash. Do loosen up slightly compared to a 3BB raise.

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I will add smaller non-suited connectors, suited connectors 45+, Paint X suited, and a variety of lower gappers to my calling range against a min raiser.

I also 3-bet slightly wider.

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It depends on how deep you are. The postional advantage increases as the stacks get deeper. In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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surely you level.

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In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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surely you level.

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Not to mention that the positional advantage is less of a factor when deciding which hands to play pf as stacks get deeper.

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In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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surely you level.

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Not to mention that the positional advantage is less of a factor when deciding which hands to play pf as stacks get deeper.

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I agree that you play different types of hands depending on stack sizes but in a deep enough game the positional advantage would become so great it would be correct to fold kk for a min raise. You would only play AA and reraise enough to commit your stack on the flop. I wonder if any one would agree with me. Maybe its a game theory question.

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

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Kidling, you are very very wrong.

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

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I didn't agree with your assertion that positional advantage increases as stacks increase, it's actually quite the opposite.

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If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get

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That right there is where you're going to get most of your disagreement.

Position matters *much* more when stacks are short, and you're speculating with far fewer hands. Many of the hands you're going to add out of position when deep are very easy to play post-flop even with the positional disadvantage.

But all positional advantages aside...

If you reraise, and they reraise all-in, you *MIGHT* consider not playing KK for your entire stack when super-deep (but even then, since this is the heads-up forum, you'd have to have a super-solid read that the person would never ever even consider making that move with anything other than AA or KK, which would require a huge history with the player to begin with), but folding KK to a minraise would be a completely bone-headed stupid move no matter how deep the stacks are.

Hell, I think even thinking about it thickens your skull just a little.

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Kidling is leveling everyone in this thread.

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

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I didn't agree with your assertion that positional advantage increases as stacks increase, it's actually quite the opposite.

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Is this a commonly held opinon on this forum? I am always open to being wrong but this seems very counter-intuitive. Position provides among other things information and the more chips you have the better you can use that information.

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as stacks become deeper, position becomes more important, starting hand values become less important.

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This seems like a pretty interesting question. I always assumed position was more important with deeper stacks as well. However, that was mostly to justify calling raises with trash and I have no actual justification for it.

I bet someone's calculated the SB advantage for jam-fold situations though.

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So there's this: http://base.google.com/base/a/112163...41895488656518

Here's the author talking about it: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10244948

So in jam-fold, positional advantage goes down and eventually becomes negative as stacks increase (past 4bb). This is somewhat interesting in and of itself. But at the same time this means the sb advantage must start going up again after jam fold because we all know it's not negative for large stacks.

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In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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surely you level.

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Not to mention that the positional advantage is less of a factor when deciding which hands to play pf as stacks get deeper.

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I agree that you play different types of hands depending on stack sizes but in a deep enough game the positional advantage would become so great it would be correct to fold kk for a min raise. You would only play AA and reraise enough to commit your stack on the flop. I wonder if any one would agree with me. Maybe its a game theory question.

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Its a common sense theory

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lol fold KK to minraise got me good.

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KK isnt even good for set value you noobs.

KK has 2 outs. QJ has 6 outs. 6>2 morans. So maybe all you 'professionals' get insanely lucky on hitting your sets, but youll go broke in the end calling minraises with KK lllllloooooooooooooooooollllllll you noobs.

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to the original op -- the rake will probably make the calls unprofitable

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Thanks for your help guys. Now I fold everything to AA but a minraise.

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It depends on how deep you are. The postional advantage increases as the stacks get deeper. In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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You fold KK for a min raise in a deep NL HU game, you are certified insane??

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

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I didn't agree with your assertion that positional advantage increases as stacks increase, it's actually quite the opposite.

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This is false. The deeper you get, the more important position becomes.

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It depends how you look at it.

When selecting hands to play OOP, you can and should play a ton more hands when deep. That is to say, position is less of a factor when getting involved OOP. That's where I'm coming from.

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It depends how you look at it.

When selecting hands to play OOP, you can and should play a ton more hands when deep. That is to say, position is less of a factor when getting involved OOP. That's where I'm coming from.

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You should play different types of hands, not neccesarily a lot more. Thinking that you can play a ton "more" hands OOP when deep is a common leak IMO because you are almost always overestimating your implied odds and underestimating your negative implied odds.