Noob question: should you always pot preflop when you play the button?
 

Just wondering if it makes sense to raise the pot on a six-max table on the button when everyone earlier has limped, when you have a playable hand. Sorry if this a super-obvious thing to do, but I'd not been doing it automatically and am just trying it now. I'm not saying repot if there's been a raise already - that depends of course on your hand! - but when everyone's limped. If a limper comes over the top, you can decide what to do with the benefit of knowing you'll have position on him.

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Just go all-in. Put your opponent to the test for all his chips.

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Nice idea but not so easy in pot limit...

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You received a flipant answer.

It's somewhat situational dependant. Have you observed the opposition limping with big hands? Are you in a school of <@(()))><. How deep is your stack relative to the opposition?

If you do this in some sort of consistant pattern, you will set yourself up for some big surprises.

If you are truely new to PLO, strick "always" & "never" from your vocabulary (especially when you post to the forum).

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some ppl always pot it preflop. some people never do. some ppl mix it up. any way is fine

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Okay... we've all played against the "If I'm playing it, I'm potting it" preflop types and they're very easy to trap, great to have at a table.

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I'd raise from that position with a pretty wide range of holdings actually. Its sort of a squeeze play. Read on the UTG limper is important though. With these sort of limp fests preflop, if you repot it and now the utg limper has a hard time calling, but if he assumes others are coming along he calls, then it just goes call call call and thats not what you usually want.

Without a strong hand that is going to play well multi way (double suited connectors) then I would only pot from this position if Im almost certain the UTG limper (or the blinds) won't cold call with semi weak hands.

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I'd raise the button to 3x the blinds with a hell of a lot of hands.

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I've been potting with 89TJ type hands from this position as a matter of routine... high pairs, not so much. Also trying it with some lower rundown hands, since it builds up a large pot for if I hit, and it's simple to get away from if I miss.

This month's 2+2 magazine article on the importance of position in PLO is relevant here, of course:

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/c...right0707.html

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without fear of being limp-reraised, potting any hand that is more than marginally playable on the button is pretty much axiomatically correct. the danger of being limp-reraised means you should somewhat disfavor hands that are dominated by aces. raising only 3x bb is unnecessary weak sauce.

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I'd raise the button to 3x the blinds with a hell of a lot of hands.

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Raising only 3x bb is unnecessary weak sauce.

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Pete, why do you feel this is weak? Aren't we just trying to build a pot with a good/speculative hand in position without trying to over commit before seeing the flop?

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Completely agree with Pete. Raising 3x is just going to inflate a monster pot where you're going to want the nuts since you can assume its going to be played with a bunch of opponents. The 3x bb raise here doesn't leave for much play post flop becasue of so many in the hand, cards are going to dictate the action. If you repot it and thin the field theres more room for you to play against one or two opponents since you have position.

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I think the deeper you and opponents are the more correct it is to pot every button you play.

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Unless you have AAXX, KKXX why do you really want to pot the button everytime? I play the game for flops and step up my action from there. Of course, it is my opinion that being too aggressive pre-flop in ths game can kill you in the long run. I like people that raise alot, I just look for a playable hand and get ready for the trap.

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I think the deeper you and opponents are the more correct it is to pot every button you play.

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Unless you have AAXX, KKXX why do you really want to pot the button everytime? I play the game for flops and step up my action from there. Of course, it is my opinion that being too aggressive pre-flop in ths game can kill you in the long run. I like people that raise alot, I just look for a playable hand and get ready for the trap.

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if you only play against total post-flop spewmonkeys, then limping to trap is probably a fairly profitable, though not optimal, strategy. but against anyone with half a brain, failing to play for higher stakes when you have the best cards and position will just get you broke.

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I think the deeper you and opponents are the more correct it is to pot every button you play.

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Unless you have AAXX, KKXX why do you really want to pot the button everytime? I play the game for flops and step up my action from there. Of course, it is my opinion that being too aggressive pre-flop in ths game can kill you in the long run. I like people that raise alot, I just look for a playable hand and get ready for the trap.

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if you only play against total post-flop spewmonkeys, then limping to trap is probably a fairly profitable, though not optimal, strategy. but against anyone with half a brain, failing to play for higher stakes when you have the best cards and position will just get you broke.

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I am referring to lower stakes which I play....In higher stakes my strategy would be much different.

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Raising only 3x bb is unnecessary weak sauce.

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Pete, why do you feel this is weak? Aren't we just trying to build a pot with a good/speculative hand in position without trying to over commit before seeing the flop?

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imagine you are playing blackjack and the count is well in your favor. do you bet 3x your normal amount so that you don't "over-commit" before seeing your cards? or do you bet the maximum?

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pete,

so you always raise pot on the button in a 6-way limped pot because of your "equity edge"?

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Good analogy if this were blackjack, but I think what they were saying is that with the nature of hands in Omaha, the count can never be "Well in our favor", so maybe that's why the 3x makes sense instead of the full pot?

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imagine you are playing blackjack and the count is well in your favor. do you bet 3x your normal amount so that you don't "over-commit" before seeing your cards? or do you bet the maximum?

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I never really understood this in blackjack, aren't there some cases where you're "meant to" bet in between the minimum and the maximum? Other than to decrease ror or avoid being caught I don't see why, but I understand it's true.

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imagine you are playing blackjack and the count is well in your favor. do you bet 3x your normal amount so that you don't "over-commit" before seeing your cards? or do you bet the maximum?

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I never really understood this in blackjack, aren't there some cases where you're "meant to" bet in between the minimum and the maximum? Other than to decrease ror or avoid being caught I don't see why, but I understand it's true.

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well, it's all based on bankroll considerations. to maximize bankroll growth for any given bankroll size, the amount you should bet on each hand is a function of how big your edge is. but any time you have a positive expectation, you would obviously choose to bet more any time you could afford it.