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I just returned from my attorneys offices' and the following information would help immensly if you could provide this to me.
If you participated in ANY CEO POKER TOUR EVENT,whether it be at The TAJ,Venetian,I think someone even said The Palms?,or any other casino they held an event, please update me on the following :

1. Hotel Name and date/time of CEO Tour series

2. Players/Entrants Name( if you feel uncomfortable announcing this on a public forum,then PM me with these details)

3. Actual Tournament Event #,Date & Time of Event, Entry + Fee PAID/PRINTED on the seat card including Table/Seat#

4.Your actual finish(if you are out of the money)just approximating it will be fine

5.If you finished ITM,the the EXACT place # you finished,and the EXACT amount you were paid.If there was a CHOP involved,I need to know the final participants and the EXACT payout,and the NAME of the Actual Casino Employee overseeing the payout.

6.If you finished in ITM,did they give you a standard P/O ticket,ask for ID or ask if you were a US citizen,make you SIGN ANYTHING(this is important ,as I am sure there is fine print within the document),and anything else you can remember that would be of value

7. And FINALLY the MOST IMPORTANT ITEM.If you did get paid,did they give you ANYTHING with regards to this charity such as a charitable contribution form,1099,any LV charity type document stating the amount paid to such,etc

8.Any other pertinent details you can recall ,that would help me(and YOU) at this point. e.g if Maria/William promised or said anything specific to you,e-mails ,phone messages,AIM conversations,if any Casino Supervisors were witness to anything,employee names,etc

Many phone calls were made this morning ,and I can tell you this, the whole "CEO TOUR" thing has some MAJOR issues,and I for one,am not letting the $9000 in monies/fees I paid to this group get off without a fight or some REAL compensation type settlement............not Maria's $100 bone last night.
What a joke/insult!

I have EVERY message,e-mail,etc SAVED from Maria/William going back to weeks before The TAJ Series.They are dealing with a potential CRIME here,or the very least COMPLETE loss of reputation and their future business,as there wont be a casino that will touch them with ten-foot pole!

And as you can see,I am willing to help any 2+2'er in the same boat!

Thanks,
~stephen feraca [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Behold the power of 2+2.

There is strength in numbers.

I'd like to say thanks to Stephen for stepping up and following through. It looks like things are heading in a direction that will forever change the CEO Poker Tour.

Has anyone been in touch with the PPA to see if they can help in this matter? Sounds like this is a fight they need to be involved in. If this doesn't met the criteria of protecting Poker players; I don't know what will.

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oh man I'm impressed. go get'm. And if posting results is -EV for your case, then message them to me [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Awwww SNAP

gg CEOPOKER1

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bump

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Stephen,

I completely approve of the action you are taking. I will assure you that my reading of the actions of the CEO Poker Tours constitue criminal fraud as well as civil liability. I consulted an attorney that deals with contract/fraud issues, and on his reading on the facts as given to him, he felt that individuals who bought in and did not cash would definitely be due the return of their entire buy-ins through a court action, (why this is should be obvious and not requiring legal training, clearing without the fraudulent practices players would not have played the event in the first place), and it is likely that players who cashed would receive the difference in the price pool because there was actual criminal fraud. However, it is always more difficult to argue to be "made whole" under the law, when you actually benefited in the situation. Also, if the company became insolvent, it would be the non-cashing players who would probably be paid first.

I think it is unthinkable that we as players will accept this pathetic settlement offer when it is not only so much less than what players would win via a legal suit, but that we will essentially forgive that these individuals have been operating a fraudulent business from the very beginning. This wasn't bad accounting, or bad staff, this was intentional misrepresentation for the purpose of misleading customers, and that constitutes fraud. Please contact the NJ and NV AG's, as well as the FTC and Gaming Commission. If you are going to go forward with a civil suit, having it previously established as a criminal fraud will give you better grounds in courts. Best of luck Stephen.

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I called the PPA in California (415-975-0897) and spoke to Jason. He was courteous & professional.

Jason informed me that the PPA was aware of the issue, and they have been receiving calls & emails. He couldn't get any more specific, but he seemed to indicate they were looking into the matter.

Just thought I'd pass along what I knew.

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I called the PPA in California (415-975-0897) and spoke to Jason. He was courteous & professional.

Jason informed me that the PPA was aware of the issue, and they have been receiving calls & emails. He couldn't get any more specific, but he seemed to indicate they were looking into the matter.

Just thought I'd pass along what I knew.

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I am trying my best,and any help from the PPA,would only help our cause!

~stephen feraca [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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This might be the first time someone delivers in real life, after talking big on the internet about legal actions, stealing charks, beating up someone, etc. Well played, Stephen.

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Stephen,

I am wondering if the host casinos have any responsibility / liability / cuplability in insuring the events were held properly and the funds were disbursed correctly.

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Stephen,

I am wondering if the host casinos have any responsibility / liability / cuplability in insuring the events were held properly and the funds were disbursed correctly.

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I'm pretty sure they do. You need a license to operate a casino in Nevada and my understanding is that an operator like CEO would have to rely on the Venetian's license to run their tournament. When people are talking about sicing the Gaming Commission, the gaming commission would go after the Venetian.

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Stephen,
I made a post in the PPA thread about the PPA having an obligation to pay your legal costs for this (since they were a partner with the CEO Poker Tour). Please contact Greg Raymer via email (in his profile) about getting your money refunded.

Thanks again for helping clean some of the scum out of the poker industry.

-Steve

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Why Greg? Is he somehow involved in this mess?

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Why Greg? Is he somehow involved in this mess?

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he is on the PPA executive board or something. He would have a lot of influence on how the PPA acts on this situation.

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Kudos Stephen! Good to see that you're putting forth the effort to fight the good fight [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I am wondering if the host casinos have any responsibility / liability / cuplability in insuring the events were held properly and the funds were disbursed correctly.

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Accorrding to MY attorneys,they most def. ARE,as they(the Venetian,the TAJ,etc) answer to the NVC,amongst many other legal entities.

It is not only the CEO Poker Tour's idea of running a tournament THEIR way,that absolves them from any damages!

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Behold the power of 2+2.

There is strength in numbers.

I'd like to say thanks to Stephen for stepping up and following through. It looks like things are heading in a direction that will forever change the CEO Poker Tour.

Has anyone been in touch with the PPA to see if they can help in this matter? Sounds like this is a fight they need to be involved in. If this doesn't met the criteria of protecting Poker players; I don't know what will.

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I understood from the PPA thread that they are no longer pursuing the matter... Is this correct?

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Stephen,

I am wondering if the host casinos have any responsibility / liability / cuplability in insuring the events were held properly and the funds were disbursed correctly.

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Accorrding to MY attorneys,they most def. ARE,as they(the Venetian,the TAJ,etc) answer to the NVC,amongst many other legal entities.

It is not only the CEO Poker Tour's idea of running a tournament THEIR way,that absolves them from any damages!

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That's a good thing cause I'll bet CEO Poker will be bankrupt before being able to pay out full compensation in this case.

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Stephen,

I am wondering if the host casinos have any responsibility / liability / cuplability in insuring the events were held properly and the funds were disbursed correctly.

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Accorrding to MY attorneys,they most def. ARE,as they(the Venetian,the TAJ,etc) answer to the NVC,amongst many other legal entities.

It is not only the CEO Poker Tour's idea of running a tournament THEIR way,that absolves them from any damages!

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That's a good thing cause I'll bet CEO Poker will be bankrupt before being able to pay out full compensation in this case.

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I defer to the advice of Stephen's lawyers, but it's not clear to me that just because the host casino might have a problem with the REGULATORY authorities, that they're necessarily liable to YOU for money damages.

That would effectively mean that a casino hosting an event would have an independent obligation to audit whatever money changes hands, to make sure it ends up in the right place. The notion strikes me as rather odd.

I hope justice gets done here. If nothing else, maybe you guys will end up owning some real estate in Cuba.

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Behold the power of 2+2.

There is strength in numbers.

I'd like to say thanks to Stephen for stepping up and following through. It looks like things are heading in a direction that will forever change the CEO Poker Tour.

Has anyone been in touch with the PPA to see if they can help in this matter? Sounds like this is a fight they need to be involved in. If this doesn't met the criteria of protecting Poker players; I don't know what will.

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I understood from the PPA thread that they are no longer pursuing the matter... Is this correct?

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the fact that this wasnt what was said at all and this is what you took from it worries me.

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Behold the power of 2+2.

There is strength in numbers.

I'd like to say thanks to Stephen for stepping up and following through. It looks like things are heading in a direction that will forever change the CEO Poker Tour.

Has anyone been in touch with the PPA to see if they can help in this matter? Sounds like this is a fight they need to be involved in. If this doesn't met the criteria of protecting Poker players; I don't know what will.

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I understood from the PPA thread that they are no longer pursuing the matter... Is this correct?

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the fact that this wasnt what was said at all and this is what you took from it worries me.

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just wrote and email to the Board stating that we need to either help the players who are going after the CEO PT, or we need to walk away from the whole thing (as opposed to our earlier published position of working with the CEO PT).

There is no doubt that helping the players correlates with our goals in the PPA. The internal question for the Board to decide is whether we should expend some of our resources on this issue, or instead spend those resources on something else that we think would be more helpful to the poker community.

I hope you will all understand this should the PPA choose not to actively get involved going forward.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Sorry i missed the "should" in his last sentence. If you read it quickly it sounds like he is saying they have higher priorities

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If the PPA turns their heads the other way after recruiting(again suckers like me),then ANY organization related to The Poker Players best interests are all worthless entities that put their "name" players on the Board of Directors,but get NOTHING accomplished..............sorta' like my Wall Street days!

Its one big game in the grand scheme of things!

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If you're using "obligation" to mean being legally compelled to cover legal fees, I disagree. There's no legal mechanism that would create such an obligation.

If you're using "obligation" in a blackmail sense -- that the PPA should cover legal fees out of fear that otherwise they'd be sued on some theory of participation in the fraudulent activity, you're looking at a tough sell. I don't see how you'd be able to prove the elements required to claim PPA liability.

If you're using "obligation" to say that they should cover legal costs as a way of furthering the organization's mission, I can't agree there either. It's clear that the main purpose of the PPA (at least right now) is lobbying Congress to legalize internet poker. While Stephen's legal pursuit is a worthy cause, it doesn't seem like the PPA should be the party litigating it.

You could also argue that the PPA should pay the legal fees to protect its name, for fear that it would look bad due to whatever level of association it had with CEO Poker Tour. This seems like the most valid approach, but I still wouldn't agree. The amount of money spent in private litigation here could be large, especially relevant to the amount that could possibly be recovered (thus, inefficient way to spend the money, unless you're one of the lawyers litigating the case). It seems like it would be a better approach to have the relevant government body (such as the U.S. attorney in Nevada, or one of the other locales where a CEO Poker tournament was held) to do the grunt work. After they've proved criminal liability, it becomes much easier to prove the civil liability.

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Awwww SNAP


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Whatever happenned with their first offer of $100 to all venetian main event participants.....

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If you're using "obligation" to mean being legally compelled to cover legal fees, I disagree. There's no legal mechanism that would create such an obligation.

If you're using "obligation" in a blackmail sense -- that the PPA should cover legal fees out of fear that otherwise they'd be sued on some theory of participation in the fraudulent activity, you're looking at a tough sell. I don't see how you'd be able to prove the elements required to claim PPA liability.

If you're using "obligation" to say that they should cover legal costs as a way of furthering the organization's mission, I can't agree there either. It's clear that the main purpose of the PPA (at least right now) is lobbying Congress to legalize internet poker. While Stephen's legal pursuit is a worthy cause, it doesn't seem like the PPA should be the party litigating it.

You could also argue that the PPA should pay the legal fees to protect its name, for fear that it would look bad due to whatever level of association it had with CEO Poker Tour. This seems like the most valid approach, but I still wouldn't agree. The amount of money spent in private litigation here could be large, especially relevant to the amount that could possibly be recovered (thus, inefficient way to spend the money, unless you're one of the lawyers litigating the case). It seems like it would be a better approach to have the relevant government body (such as the U.S. attorney in Nevada, or one of the other locales where a CEO Poker tournament was held) to do the grunt work. After they've proved criminal liability, it becomes much easier to prove the civil liability.

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The PPA was one of the chief sponsors of the CEO Poker tour itself according to the press release they put out....

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Whatever happenned with their first offer of $100 to all venetian main event participants.....

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They are probably still writing up a waiver to go with it. blah blah blah you accept this $100 payment as full settlement of any claims you may have blah blah.

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The PPA was one of the chief sponsors of the CEO Poker tour itself according to the press release they put out....

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I don't have the press release in front of me, but I sure hope that it really wasn't worded that way. The PPA never was a sponsor of the CEO Poker Tour, or a sponsor of any outside entity. The main reason the PPA got involved with teh CEO PT was just to get their help in raising members by having advertising present at CEO PT events. At least, that is my present understanding. If our relationship with the CEO PT was more than that, I was unaware of it.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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The PPA was one of the chief sponsors of the CEO Poker tour itself according to the press release they put out....

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I don't have the press release in front of me, but I sure hope that it really wasn't worded that way. The PPA never was a sponsor of the CEO Poker Tour, or a sponsor of any outside entity. The main reason the PPA got involved with teh CEO PT was just to get their help in raising members by having advertising present at CEO PT events. At least, that is my present understanding. If our relationship with the CEO PT was more than that, I was unaware of it.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Well Greg,based on that response and your ignoring my request to contact me for HELP, "the PPA did get involved just to get their help in raising members by having advertising" ............the way I see it, the PPA IS INVOLVED!

Sorry if you dont agree ,but it seems like abit of back-peddling to me?
~stephen feraca

I am STILL waiting for Greg,or ANYONE else fro the PPA to respond,and in fact if they dont take a stand here in my/OUR defense in an obviously questionable tournament structue/payout,I really dont know what they are worth,nor good for in the first place anyway!

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The PPA was one of the chief sponsors of the CEO Poker tour itself according to the press release they put out....

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I don't have the press release in front of me, but I sure hope that it really wasn't worded that way. The PPA never was a sponsor of the CEO Poker Tour, or a sponsor of any outside entity. The main reason the PPA got involved with teh CEO PT was just to get their help in raising members by having advertising present at CEO PT events. At least, that is my present understanding. If our relationship with the CEO PT was more than that, I was unaware of it.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Well Greg,based on that response and your ignoring my request to contact me for HELP, "the PPA did get involved just to get their help in raising members by having advertising" ............the way I see it, the PPA IS INVOLVED!

Sorry if you dont agree ,but it seems like abit of back-peddling to me?
~stephen feraca

I am STILL waiting for Greg,or ANYONE else fro the PPA to respond,and in fact if they dont take a stand here in my/OUR defense in an obviously questionable tournament structue/payout,I really dont know what they are worth,nor good for in the first place anyway!

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I completely agree. Greg, the PPA needs to take action.
Not standing up against the scum at CEO Poker would be a crime at best. This goes against everything the PPA stands for.

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Stephen,

It stings me when you sling insults at Greg. While I know he is a big boy and he can defend himself (just ask the guys who attacked him about that) he came here on his own volition to address the CEO poker problem.

He personally made sure that there were discussions about the CEO scandal with the higher ups at the PPA and his discussions helped prompt Maria to make her statement (which obviously turned out to be highly insufficient.)

After the statement he came here to say that he would no longer associate with the CEO Poker Tour but he did not state what his future actions would be.

Greg is a former lawyer. He is too smart to come on here and make promises on behalf of the PPA. He is not going to make a promise without discussing it through proper channels. I am sure that the reason that he has not responded to you with the exact plan that the PPA will be taking is because he is advocating your position to the higher ups at the PPA and they have not yet reached a decision. There is bureaucracy that slows down actions of organizations like the PPA, you should be thankful that you have someone like Greg to advance your claim through their organizational red tape.

I am confident that in the end the PPA will support you in your fight and if they do support you it will be a credit to the help that Greg Raymer provided during private PPA conversations.

Right now he is surely advocating your position, please be patient before you start to challenge his good name.

(Note: If it turns out that the PPA does not support your fight then slam Greg all you want but he has done enough for the community and has been a staunch advocate of players rights so we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is helping despite his silence)


-Steve

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Stephen,

It stings me when you sling insults at Greg. While I know he is a big boy and he can defend himself (just ask the guys who attacked him about that) he came here on his own volition to address the CEO poker problem.

He personally made sure that there were discussions about the CEO scandal with the higher ups at the PPA and his discussions helped prompt Maria to make her statement (which obviously turned out to be highly insufficient.)

After the statement he came here to say that he would no longer associate with the CEO Poker Tour but he did not state what his future actions would be.

Greg is a former lawyer. He is too smart to come on here and make promises on behalf of the PPA. He is not going to make a promise without discussing it through proper channels. I am sure that the reason that he has not responded to you with the exact plan that the PPA will be taking is because he is advocating your position to the higher ups at the PPA and they have not yet reached a decision. There is bureaucracy that slows down actions of organizations like the PPA, you should be thankful that you have someone like Greg to advance your claim through their organizational red tape.

I am confident that in the end the PPA will support you in your fight and if they do support you it will be a credit to the help that Greg Raymer provided during private PPA conversations.

Right now he is surely advocating your position, please be patient before you start to challenge his good name.

(Note: If it turns out that the PPA does not support your fight then slam Greg all you want but he has done enough for the community and has been a staunch advocate of players rights so we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is helping despite his silence)


-Steve

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I agree 100%.

Greg has done more for us than anyone else associated with the PPA (that we are aware of). These things take time. We are not watching an episode of Law & Order. There will not be a speedy 1 day (or 1 month) resolution.

It seems from my phone call to the PPA, Stephen's conversation with his attorney, & Greg's involvement that the snowball is rolling. Give it time to see where it goes & how big it gets.

From the PPA web site:

<font color="blue">WHO IS THE POKER PLAYERS ALLIANCE?
The Poker Players Alliance is a nonprofit membership organization comprised of poker players and enthusiasts from around the United States who have joined together to speak with one voice to promote the game, ensure its integrity, and, most importantly, to protect poker players' rights.</font>

I can't see the PPA sitting out on the sidelines for this one. The backlash would be devastating to them.

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Point well taken,and I apologize if my words were biting,but as a director of the PPA,it would not have hurt either for him to shoot me a PM as I asked nicely, and basically re-iterate what you guys just said,with a few reassurring choice words of encouragement,without any harm to him or the PPA?

I understand though ,and alot of my vented anger, towards the CEO Poker Tour has unfortunately not been well timed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
I think its best, if I just keep my mouth shut,and let my lawyers deal with this,and even though the costs are coming out of my own pocket,if I AT LEAST STOP [censored] like this CEO TOUR garbage from happening to other innocent poker players in the future...... then I have made a pro-active contribution to the game in more ways than one!

~stephen feraca

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my details sent to Stephen.

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most importantly, to protect poker players' rights.

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What are poker players' rights? To play or not to play, that is the (only?) question?

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What are poker players' rights? To play or not to play, that is the (only?) question?

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In this case, to be given honest information about the distribution of prize money in the event they play in.

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Point well taken,and I apologize if my words were biting,but as a director of the PPA,it would not have hurt either for him to shoot me a PM as I asked nicely, and basically re-iterate what you guys just said,with a few reassurring choice words of encouragement,without any harm to him or the PPA?

I understand though ,and alot of my vented anger, towards the CEO Poker Tour has unfortunately not been well timed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
I think its best, if I just keep my mouth shut,and let my lawyers deal with this,and even though the costs are coming out of my own pocket,if I AT LEAST STOP [censored] like this CEO TOUR garbage from happening to other innocent poker players in the future...... then I have made a pro-active contribution to the game in more ways than one!

~stephen feraca

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Stephen - I think you just made a good call there.

First of all, let me say that I completely agree that you were wronged individually, and that all the CEO Poker tournament players have been wronged as a group. I wish you good luck in pursuing your claims.

However, as for your comments (and I hate to say this): every time you open your mouth, you weaken your position.

If you don't treat others with respect, don't expect to win allies and friends easily. And if you don't care enough about your issues to express your arguments in standard written English, don't expect to influence people.

In an earlier post, you defended your third grade writing style as being an expression of your own individuality. That's fine, but you should also be aware of the costs. You're not going to convince others by personal insult, wild grammar, random capitalization/punctuation, and scatter-shot free association. In fact, even those who agree with you might not be willing to read through the drivel to recognize that fact. And like it or not, your writing is drivel - no matter how you feel about it.

Once again, good luck in pursuing your rightful claim. I hope you take this in the spirit that I wrote it, as a constructive criticism.

When you're in a hole, you need to stop digging. Listen to your lawyer, and please consider asking a mature and literate friend to review your future public communications before posting them.

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Fromaggio,
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And like it or not, your writing is drivel - no matter how you feel about it.


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I have once again tried to help out all the 2+2'ers on this forum ,with this time it being at my expense and time, in a very serious,and potential criminal matter,only to be met with someones biggest concern,being my writing style once again?

If a couple of comments were made by me,that I have since apologized repeatedly for, are making your balls twist in the wind,then again I am sorry,but I am certainly NOT going to be picked apart on every personal flaw I may have over and over again!

It seems like I will just pursue this on my own in quiet fashion,and as you agreed with me, by keeping my mouth shut.

I just cant please everyone here . I have done/uncovered more than anybody related to this case,and it seems that once again someone has to worry about grammar,punctuation,etc.I think I have been very respectful with regard to 95% of my posts/remarks on this matter,and the other 5% were comments made out of frustration,with subsequent aopologies or explanations

There are alot more people on 2+2 who DONT care about my writing style,and have been quite appreciative as well as supportive regarding my efforts.

Alot of people were fleeced,or at the very least mis-led out of alot of monies,and I am tring to do something constructive,and this is your input on the subject,and your major beef with me?

I dont know Greg Raymer,and he seems like a stand-up guy with good intentions,but the relationship with the PPA and the CEO Poker Tour are seriously questioned here IMO,but since his name came up,it seems like the core point of the issue has shifted

Good Luck Guys,
~stephen feraca

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Steven feel free to use the complete list of CEO Poker events with juice indicated on my other thread...They took about 20% from nearly every event

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Hi Stephen:

No one gets attacked more in the Internet/poker world than I do. It's just part of what Internet forums like ours are about. But I have learned to just take them in stride and concentrate on those matters that are important and not worry about unimportant details.

Best wishes,
Mason