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Courtesy Flush 07-20-2007 10:01 AM

Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Can't the concept of game theory be thoroughly described in a single paragraph? Or is there more to it that I'm not aware of?

She studied it in college? They gave her credit for it!?

Oliver Nipples 07-20-2007 10:03 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Tell you what, you try to thoroughly explain it in a single paragraph and you will have your answer to the first question.

Also, yes to the 2nd and 3rd questions.

secretprankster 07-20-2007 10:28 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
As you know I came to poker from Duke, with a game theory background from Duke, in Durham we always used to study poker from a math perspective at Duke, and I will be teaching at the WPT bootcamp the skills I learned at Duke.

NickyC 07-20-2007 10:30 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Get your monies in with a higher ranking hand than your opponent, get more monies.
BAM
Gimme the dumb hat and obnoxious face covering glasses and I'll teach that class.

Ron Burgundy 07-20-2007 10:48 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
SHE WENT TO DUKE

Hume 07-20-2007 10:49 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
And people say that NVG posters are stupider than the average 2+2er. This thread sure proved those morans wrong.

rafiki 07-20-2007 10:58 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
I hate listening to her. I mute the TV.

fees 07-20-2007 11:01 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
I think OP means to say game theory as it applies to donkaments... in that case yeah 1 paragraph is heavy reading.

If she thinks the knowledgeher degree is any different from the knowledge any person could gain reading a book on game theory 101 shes stoooooooooopid

ibluffoldladies 07-20-2007 11:08 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
lmao at anybody who thinks Vanessa knows more about poker because she was taught "game theory" at Duke.

Hotel Detect 07-20-2007 11:23 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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Can't the concept of game theory be thoroughly described in a single paragraph? Or is there more to it that I'm not aware of?

She studied it in college? They gave her credit for it!?

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Because she is Chris Ferguson's obnoxious, evil twin sister.

IMO Vanessa is Humberto-level annoying, that's all that needs to be said.

Hotel Detect 07-20-2007 11:23 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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lmao at anybody who thinks Vanessa knows more about poker because she was taught "game theory" at Duke.

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Come on dude, she was taught hella hella game theory

Under dog 07-20-2007 11:56 AM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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And people say that NVG posters are stupider than the average 2+2er. This thread sure proved those morans wrong.

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Um...aba states in his blog he learnt all he knows from NVG so STFU

Stake Monster 07-20-2007 12:18 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
But does she know ALL the percentages?

MikalSjekson 07-20-2007 12:35 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

dlorc 07-20-2007 12:37 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Does game theory teach the principles of aggressive calling?

txbarbarossa 07-20-2007 12:47 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

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That might be the single worst played hand in the history of poker. She made about 5 mistakes in one hand.

1. I don't even like the call out of the SB, but ok
2. Check raising out of position with a draw into 3 other players without drawing to the nuts when there are 2 of suit on the board
3. Leading again on the turn out of position when a card that hits draws comes off.
4. CALLING a raise on the turn with nothing but a crappy draw?
5. Making a $5 bet into a what, $40k pot?

Seriously this girl has zero clue what she's doing. She's obviously some kind of luckbox to have anything.

MikalSjekson 07-20-2007 12:47 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Lol look at this trainwreck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj5Td...ed&search=

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Arnold_O 07-20-2007 12:50 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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IMO Vanessa is Humberto-level annoying, that's all that needs to be said.

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damn truth

tpir 07-20-2007 12:51 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

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lol. wow. i never saw this before. sik.

what channels do this and the full tilt one run on? i have only ever seen youtube clips.

NickyC 07-20-2007 12:51 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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Lol look at this trainwreck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj5Td...ed&search=

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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As much as she annoys me, I have to admit this is my favorite hand in the history of televised poker. The look on clownie's face is eternally priceless.

txbarbarossa 07-20-2007 12:55 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
BTW she is a complete fish at cash games given the way she played that hand. That's the kind of play I find rare even from drunks a 4am.

Rousso is simply a statistical out lier on the luck curve. Anyone that's taken any statistics will understand this. However the more hands she plays, the more she will regress towards the mean which is clearly loser. You won't see or here much more from this lady in another year unless Chad Brown continues giving her buyin money. Glad she's getting a law degree b/c she needs to stick with that. She has zero long term future in poker.

fees 07-20-2007 12:58 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
LOL LMFAO BEST [censored] LMFAO AHAHAHAAHA 5K HALAFMASMALKF

NickyC 07-20-2007 01:01 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Seriously, in that hand, how does Clownie not bet out or check raise the flop? How does Rousso call the turn bet after she was called on the flop, then bet into on the turn when the 5 made no draw and hit no draw? I won't even get to the river action because it is just so painful to even comprehend.

skylar 07-20-2007 01:06 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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Can't the concept of game theory be thoroughly described in a single paragraph? Or is there more to it that I'm not aware of?

She studied it in college? They gave her credit for it!?

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Did most of my undergraduate degree in game theory/comp science

Miss Rousso does not espouse the fundamentals very well

Also doing my masters thesis now on game theory and online poker

txbarbarossa 07-20-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
BTW make no mistake about it, Rousso is good for poker. It shows that even a total clueless donk can wind up winning. Long term she'll give it all back and anything else she has left. Short term just a good looking blonde "game theory" expert. And understand why poker stars likes her type. She is gonna attract the rank amateur fish. "If she can win I know I can" thing.

SenatorKevin 07-20-2007 01:17 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

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I played against "Bob" at Venetian. He likes to push people all in with draws and managed to hit his flush against my top two. All this at a 2-5 table. LOL. (He normally plays higher)

XxGeneralxX 07-20-2007 01:18 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
She is absolutely horrible, these videos are unreal

txbarbarossa 07-20-2007 01:24 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
She's even publicly stated she's a donkament player. Obviously she has no idea how to play cash games.

Tournaments are a different strategy but it also shows just how much weaker tournament players are.

Daliman 07-20-2007 01:28 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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Seriously, in that hand, how does Clownie not bet out or check raise the flop? How does Rousso call the turn bet after she was called on the flop, then bet into on the turn when the 5 made no draw and hit no draw? I won't even get to the river action because it is just so painful to even comprehend.

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Flat calling it on the flop with a player behind is fine at least sometimes, she DID bet out on the turn, and while the 5 didn't finish any draws, there are many cards that could hit the river that kill action for either/both of them, and the river, and how losing your pot-sized stack on a river "blank" is "too painful to even comprehend" is beyond me.

I don't think Clonie is a very good poker player, but her play here is fine.

NickyC 07-20-2007 01:30 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
I have never seen that other video before. Did she seriously just bet $5k into a $30k plus pot?
Also, I wish Brandon had not flipped his cards over before seeing her hand. He saved her *some* embarrassment there. Also let her get away with that disappointed look on her face like she just got coolerd or something.

Daliman 07-20-2007 01:37 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Because she thinks it makes her sound smart, and others do not mention it nearly as much as her, therefore, she may be hoping she gets recognized as a leader in the field as it applies to poker. I mean, it's either her or Bill Chen, right, and who would you rather look at or listen to?

Oddly enough, Chen wins both categories.

I wonder how she can use game theory to figure the odds of a "pro" going 0-fer the WSOP when she likely played 25+ events?

SneakyFerret 07-20-2007 01:38 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little

David LoPan 07-20-2007 02:08 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little

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fwiw anyone else think clonie butchered the hand by not c/r'ing ai on the turn or not c/r'ing flop and not donking flop and turn and then spewing off the rest against a donk station who could easily have opened with A10, AJ or even KQ...

David LoPan 07-20-2007 02:09 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
LoL and I think its even more priceless she turns to always busto Matusow to ask for a loan, he says "this is all i got"

zyrrth 07-20-2007 02:15 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
lol the first hand is awesome

Wowliksom! 07-20-2007 02:27 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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I hope i can make it to her next clinic and she can tell me her game theory leading to this play::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_HYmEUKck

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That might be the single worst played hand in the history of poker. She made about 5 mistakes in one hand.

1. I don't even like the call out of the SB, but ok
2. Check raising out of position with a draw into 3 other players without drawing to the nuts when there are 2 of suit on the board
3. Leading again on the turn out of position when a card that hits draws comes off.
4. CALLING a raise on the turn with nothing but a crappy draw?
5. Making a $5 bet into a what, $40k pot?

Seriously this girl has zero clue what she's doing. She's obviously some kind of luckbox to have anything.

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Terrrible play. Obv a donkament luck box who is fundamentally clueless.

thedarknight 07-20-2007 02:34 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
when she lost, it sounds like she's complaining about her luck. "I lost to a set and now this..."

Lots of hate for the LADY MAVERICK on these boards, probably deservedly...she's going to read up on her textbooks tho before she starts teaching boot camp..so it's all good.

Wolverine 07-20-2007 02:35 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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Lol look at this trainwreck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj5Td...ed&search=

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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LOL this is the funniest thing I've seen all week. A+

wpr101 07-20-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
Neither of those videos showed horrible plays... they weren't good, but not crazy bad.

Wowliksom! 07-20-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Why is Vanessa Rousso always blabbing about game theory?
 
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Tournaments are a different strategy but it also shows just how much weaker tournament players are.

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It's not that different...

As noted she is a statistical outlier in poker and that meens donkaments in particular since she have made money in a few of those.


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