Professional No Limit Holdem Vol 1, Reviews
 

I've read through the Basics chapters and have to say I am impressed so far. It is concise enough not to be a chore and still contains a lot of good information. I have high hopes for the rest of the book which I will read over the next couple days.

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This is dumb I know, but can you post a scan of the back cover for PNL? I'm waiting on Amazon and I've been waiting weeks to see what the print shop did.

In addition to your normal review of course.

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Mike

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Oh yea, for Momma and Poppa...


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Got your email saying my books shipped. Still working at 8 PM vegas time, I am impressed.

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We are even coming in on Saturday for the first time to get more out.

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"Portugeses", yikes. Why anyone reading the back cover would care what languages it's being translated into is beyond me, but whatever, I bought one.

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if i start to wear glasses will it make me a better poker player?

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"Portugeses", yikes.

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"Portugeses", yikes.

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hahahahahahaha, OMFG

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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The note about the translations is important to our foreign publishers. These are different companies from Two Plus Two Publishing LLC that we are signing contracts with and we're trying to do everything we can to help them be successful with our books. We'll also soon have a page on this website detailing what books are in what languages and listing the websites of the different foreign language publishers.

Best wishes,
Mason

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I am about half way through the book and I don't think I have seen any other errors other than the one mentioned.

A lot of the information in this book has not been seen in such a user friendly format in any of the bazillion poker books I have read. This is a very high quality book with critical concepts for mastering "stack limit" holdem [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I can already give this book a wayyyyyyyyyy thumbs up and I still have half left to read.

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So what exactly does this mean about the Sklansky and Miller "No limit Hold'em Theory" book 2+2 published last year? Why was there a need for this new book? Did I waste my money on their book last year?

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You hardly wasted your money on that book. It covered many good topics to help your no limit game. If you think you wasted your money on it, then you didn't read it and understand it and apply it. There is money involved in this game and paying 30 bucks for a book that can make you thousands should hardly be considered wasting money.

This new book is a different book covering different topics. If you think one book can cover this game, then you are sorely mistaken.

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Hasn't helped me.

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

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Yes, I am sure you are perfect in your perfect little world - now go back and stay there.

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Here we go....attack me not my statement. Exhibit A. Who else wants to tell me I'm an idiot for pointing out the painfully obvious?

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That's a very unfortunate mistake, you got to admit. It's like having a spelling mistake in your resume in the most visible spot.

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

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Who cares? Why would you care?

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So I just spent the last 8 hours or so reading the book. The first half or so of the book was pretty basic stuff that I already knew, but I could see how it could be helpful to lesser experienced players. I really did learn a ton from the second half of the book, which will hopefully make me lots of money in the future. Im sure it will either do that or make me go broke. I am a little concerned that the book only gives examples of how to play hands like AK when you make top pair. What about the times where you get a SPR of 4 or so then miss. Im sure betting is still what is going to be suggested in a later volume, but that sort of puts you near being committed. Hopefully this will be addressed in a later volume. All in all though, I have learned more from this book than I have from any other in the recent past.

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

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Who cares? Why would you care?

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That's right, question me and my motivations. Make me the focus, not the amateurish editing mistake I am simply pointing out. Exhibit B. Next?

ETA. You sound like freaking scientologists. "What are your crimes?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y

"Why are you afraid of Sklansky?"

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

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Who cares? Why would you care?

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That's right, question me and my motivations. Make me the focus, not the amateurish editing mistake I am simply pointing out. Exhibit B. Next?

ETA. You sound like freaking scientologists. "What are your crimes?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y

"Why are you afraid of Sklansky?"

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Talk about getting worked up over nothing...

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

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Who cares? Why would you care?

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That's right, question me and my motivations. Make me the focus, not the amateurish editing mistake I am simply pointing out. Exhibit B. Next?

ETA. You sound like freaking scientologists. "What are your crimes?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y

"Why are you afraid of Sklansky?"

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Talk about getting worked up over nothing...

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just wait.

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I figured id reply and let everyone know that if tonights results were indication of the future, I will be broke within a month.

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

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Who cares? Why would you care?

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That's right, question me and my motivations. Make me the focus, not the amateurish editing mistake I am simply pointing out. Exhibit B. Next?

ETA. You sound like freaking scientologists. "What are your crimes?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y

"Why are you afraid of Sklansky?"

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I just don't understand what you are trying to say.

2p2 provides hands down the best books on Hold'em (and probably other poker games and gambling topics but I can't say from experience). Why would I/should I care if they misspell something? Does this somehow invalidate the content?

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I will. First off, it's not an editing error, it's a proof reading error. Those are two completely different things.

Second, unfortunately, the back cover, while proof read, didn't go through the type of proof reading the rest of the manuscript does, and due to our cover design contest and lots of last minute changes, the cover wasn't ready for proofing until right before it was printed. In addition, the final type set version of our text (without card pictures and diagrams, etc.) is provided by Two Plus Two to our printer. The back cover is actually the other way around. We submit to the graphics department at our printer, and they do the type setting on the final cover. So while I did submit it with the correct spelling, the error occurred after they got it. And again, I did make the final approval, but that was shortly before the printing began. On the text inside the book, several people do read it before publication in an attempt to cut down on this type of error. But due to deadlines we had to meet, that was not done on the back covers of the four books we printed.

While that's no excuse for the error, and we find it very irritating, it will be corrected on our next printing. But this is what happens in the publishing business, and we do our best to keep it to a minimum.

MM

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Mason,

If that's the only error anyone finds in the book, then you aren't charging us enough.

Thanks to you, Ed, Sonny & Matt for a quality product. I look forward to getting my copy from ConJelCo and doubling my BB/100.

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Not a fan of scientology, but the guy with the camera was a douche.

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What about the times where you get a SPR of 4 or so then miss. Im sure betting is still what is going to be suggested in a later volume, but that sort of puts you near being committed. Hopefully this will be addressed in a later volume. All in all though, I have learned more from this book than I have from any other in the recent past.

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we ran out of room. Sunny wrote that discussion long before volume 1 was submitted, but it wouldn't fit. also, we will visit it again under c-betting, under bluffing, and under some other topics.

spr of 4 would not change your c-betting frequency much vs. high spr if you took initiative with AK preflop. don't commit normally.

in some games you would go all-in with AK there on occasion as part of line defense and balancing, or if you sensed weakness or expected to be against a weak range. you want fold equity in those situations / get low pairs out and so normally arrange to fire the last shot. sometimes, though, it works better to fire a big first shot.

opponent counters your c-bet by raise bluffing - interesting spot for a minraise whether he has it or not. the game just gets tough then.


sorry first session didn't get the monies.

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Thanks a lot. I look forward to the next volume. Any idea when we can expect it?

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Hi FieryJustice,

Thanks for the kind words, and good observations re: AK. We do make constant mention of the steal equity points throughout the book (in fact, even regarding specifically AK i.e. - page 208: "You will make top pair or better about 1 time in 3. The other times you may steal. If you can make money stealing, you sometimes want to get more money in preflop. We explain those exceptions in Making Adjustments starting on page 234."), but as Matt mentioned, we'll have much more to say about the whole topic in Volume Two.

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-S

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I suppose my problem with it is that if you are stealing you cross your committment point or whatever it is called. Like if you to reraise with AK and get the SPR to 4, you generally have about 1/10th or so of your 100bb stack in. If you miss the flop, you have to bet another 15 or 20bbs, which would put basically 1/3 of your stack in. I think you guy ssaid that was bad but that could mean apply only if you have a made hand like tp. Thanks for the replies. I appreciate it. I cant wait til volume 2.

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Well, you're right that a bet there would cross you over the Commitment Threshold, but remember (from the Exceptions on making bets when at the Threshold):

"You might make a large bet if you are bluffing or semibluffing." (page 152)

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Is that Ed's photo from when he was pimped out on Queer eye for the Straight guy?

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Nope..

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Eyeglasses, yes.

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We know about the error. It's also on Sit 'n Go Strategies, and in addition, we reprinted at the same time Harrington: Volume I and Harrington: Volume II and believe the same error is also there.

We'll get it corrected when we reprint.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Boy, that 2 + 2 has some wonderful editing. According to MM this egregious mistake is present in 4 different volumes (he believes). Attention fanboys, please come and tell me how stupid I am to ridicule this absolutely atrocious and laughable error, on the cover, no less, OF FOUR F-ING DIFFERENT BOOKS.

[/ QUOTE ]

Who cares? Why would you care?

[/ QUOTE ]

That's right, question me and my motivations. Make me the focus, not the amateurish editing mistake I am simply pointing out. Exhibit B. Next?

ETA. You sound like freaking scientologists. "What are your crimes?"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y

"Why are you afraid of Sklansky?"

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Talk about getting worked up over nothing...

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It was pointed out by someone else. You even qouted their post originally. Glad you can take credit for it and then turn into a worthless nitpick!