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dagrinder15 07-19-2007 02:04 PM

Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
Ivey is obviously better than all these online superstars that won't last, look @ brad booth, dude was huge and now he's broke, cts can't afford nosebleed no more and Aba keeps losing heads up to Ivey. Ivey is god. Discuss.

NoMeansYes_ 07-19-2007 02:05 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
You have potential

iveyleague24 07-19-2007 02:07 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
sir, you need to be syndicated.

LGs0pHT 07-19-2007 02:07 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
Yeah I think Aba was tilting yesterday a couple of times. First Ivey crushed him, then he crushed Ivey (like 150k+), than Ivey recrushed him (like 100k+) and then he broke even but eventually Ivey crushed him 100% in the end.

However, I am not much of a railbird and did not follow so many hands since I was multitabling on the other screen. One time I saw aba making a pretty weak call with slowplayed twopair vs. runner runner flush.

phifediggy 07-19-2007 02:09 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Yeah I think Aba was tilting yesterday a couple of times. First Ivey crushed him, then he crushed Ivey (like 150k+), than Ivey recrushed him (like 100k+) and then he broke even but eventually Ivey crushed him 100% in the end.

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Nice summary.

EWS87 07-19-2007 02:34 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
as much of a troll as OP is trying to be, he does have a point

Vega33 07-19-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Ivey is obviously better than all these online superstars that won't last, look @ brad booth, dude was huge and now he's broke, cts can't afford nosebleed no more and Aba keeps losing heads up to Ivey. Ivey is god. Discuss.

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I'd like Ivey's game more if he didn't have the tendency to leave a game when he gets down. That seems to indicate that he knows he has tilting problems in spite of his image. If he was truly a poker god, he'd have no need to leave games like that.

Orlando Salazar 07-19-2007 02:41 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Ivey is obviously better than all these online superstars that won't last, look @ brad booth, dude was huge and now he's broke, cts can't afford nosebleed no more and Aba keeps losing heads up to Ivey. Ivey is god. Discuss.

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I'd like Ivey's game more if he didn't have the tendency to leave a game when he gets down. That seems to indicate that he knows he has tilting problems in spite of his image. If he was truly a poker god, he'd have no need to leave games like that.

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I think it shows him to be more of a poker god. How many of us can quit when we are stuck and maybe not playing our best?

kassdog 07-19-2007 02:43 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
No comment because last time i made a comment about about this type i was banned, even though in the sticky it says not to make post like this.

EWS87 07-19-2007 02:43 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Ivey is obviously better than all these online superstars that won't last, look @ brad booth, dude was huge and now he's broke, cts can't afford nosebleed no more and Aba keeps losing heads up to Ivey. Ivey is god. Discuss.

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I'd like Ivey's game more if he didn't have the tendency to leave a game when he gets down. That seems to indicate that he knows he has tilting problems in spite of his image. If he was truly a poker god, he'd have no need to leave games like that.

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this is kind of backwards...obv in a perfect world the perfect player would NEVER tilt...but there is not a poker player on earth including reese, barry, etc that does not tilt...this making ivey's decision to stop playing +ev...at this level, noones edge is that huge, so it would not be correct for ivey to play no matter what...if he only plays when he is +ev vs players who are going to play when they tilt...it gives him a HUGE edge long run

NickyC 07-19-2007 02:48 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Ivey is obviously better than all these online superstars that won't last, look @ brad booth, dude was huge and now he's broke, cts can't afford nosebleed no more and Aba keeps losing heads up to Ivey. Ivey is god. Discuss.

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I'd like Ivey's game more if he didn't have the tendency to leave a game when he gets down. That seems to indicate that he knows he has tilting problems in spite of his image. If he was truly a poker god, he'd have no need to leave games like that.

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lawlz

Aaron_in_GR 07-19-2007 03:05 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Vega33 07-19-2007 03:06 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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this is kind of backwards...obv in a perfect world the perfect player would NEVER tilt...but there is not a poker player on earth including reese, barry, etc that does not tilt...this making ivey's decision to stop playing +ev...at this level, noones edge is that huge, so it would not be correct for ivey to play no matter what...if he only plays when he is +ev vs players who are going to play when they tilt...it gives him a HUGE edge long run

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I see your point, but Ivey leaves games a LOT when he gets even 40-50k or so down. When I'm watching one of his games and he does that, I don't think "what a poker god" when he takes his ball and goes home. If a 40k loss would tend to tilt someone who plays at Ivey's stakes then he tilts much too easily. It would be differenet if he did the same thing after a 200k downswing- that kind of money could tilt anyone.

EWS87 07-19-2007 03:10 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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this is kind of backwards...obv in a perfect world the perfect player would NEVER tilt...but there is not a poker player on earth including reese, barry, etc that does not tilt...this making ivey's decision to stop playing +ev...at this level, noones edge is that huge, so it would not be correct for ivey to play no matter what...if he only plays when he is +ev vs players who are going to play when they tilt...it gives him a HUGE edge long run

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I see your point, but Ivey leaves games a LOT when he gets even 40-50k or so down. When I'm watching one of his games and he does that, I don't think "what a poker god" when he takes his ball and goes home. If a 40k loss would tend to tilt someone who plays at Ivey's stakes then he tilts much too easily. It would be differenet if he did the same thing after a 200k downswing- that kind of money could tilt anyone.

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this is simply because your "poker god" is far fetched...in a game with this much variance, vs players who are at the top level, the actual playing edge when both players are in good mindsets is very small...if ivey leaves after losing 40K, it is because he feels he is now trying to get unstuck and putting him in a bad mindset giving his opponent a bigger edge.

this was shown perfectly yesterday as he got up early on rugby and stayed at the table while rugby was trying to get unstuck and walked away with 400K+...this is really the optimal way to play and most people here would i think agree that if they had the power to do this, would have better results

Squareview 07-19-2007 03:10 PM

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Squareview 07-19-2007 03:11 PM

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davidlong14 07-19-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 


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I'd like Ivey's game more if he didn't have the tendency to leave a game when he gets down. That seems to indicate that he knows he has tilting problems in spite of his image. If he was truly a poker god, he'd have no need to leave games like that.

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If your buy your own premise here (which I do not), then you ABSOLUTELY DETEST aba's game, correct? Remember, just a few days ago he tilted so bad after The Owl picked off his $600k bluff, that he couldn't even rack-up under his own power & had the floor do it for him...

Orlando Salazar 07-19-2007 03:43 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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i feel a 1 day ban for telling the truth

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let's hope not. but dids is a hatefull fatboy. I think more racial/ethnic jokes should be tolerated. You can say "I hope you die" and "..greasefire..." but not "blacks are good at sports" or "jews are rich". dids is a horrible mod when it comes to censorship.

Vega33 07-19-2007 03:44 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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If your buy your own premise here (which I do not), then you ABSOLUTELY DETEST aba's game, correct? Remember, just a few days ago he tilted so bad after The Owl picked off his $600k bluff, that he couldn't even rack-up under his own power & had the floor do it for him...

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No, I am a big fan of Aba's skill and general approach to the game. You are describing a devastating individual hand, which understandably tilted him. In general, I like how Aba thinks/knows he's +ev against the overwhelming majority of players he encounters and so he's more than happy to keep playing even after he's down 300-400k or whatever. I think Ivey has the poker skill and bankroll to take that same appraoch, but for whatever reason he usually elects to leave the table instead.

Ivey is clearly one of the best players in the world- I'm just saying that his routinely leaving when he gets 40-50k down is an aspect of his game that Aba doesn't have and that I don't think is a strong point in Ivey's game.

tarheeljks 07-19-2007 04:06 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Ivey is obviously better than all these online superstars that won't last, look @ brad booth, dude was huge and now he's broke, cts can't afford nosebleed no more and Aba keeps losing heads up to Ivey. Ivey is god. Discuss.

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I'd like Ivey's game more if he didn't have the tendency to leave a game when he gets down. That seems to indicate that he knows he has tilting problems in spite of his image. If he was truly a poker god, he'd have no need to leave games like that.

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ridiculous. there's something to be said for playing through bad cards but if you know you are tilting and choose to stay at the table to spew your chips then you are a moron.

SGspecial 07-19-2007 04:14 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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i feel a 1 day ban for being a waste of space and time

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FYS

Dids 07-19-2007 04:19 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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i feel a 1 day ban for telling the truth

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let's hope not. but dids is a hatefull fatboy. I think more racial/ethnic jokes should be tolerated. You can say "I hope you die" and "..greasefire..." but not "blacks are good at sports" or "jews are rich". dids is a horrible mod when it comes to censorship.

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You cannot say "I hope you die". Plz to be reading the sticky.

I WILL BAN YOU FOR EVERYTHING!

And yes, I did ban the guy for blatant racial trolling.

Dids 07-19-2007 04:20 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
btw- the bit about aba having the floor person rack him up seems very Tommy A to me, I'm not sure why everybody is hating for that. When you know you're not playing well, or won't be playing well, you gtfo, it's simple.

roaaahhh 07-19-2007 04:25 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
and whitelime > ivey at least recently in the short term, he seems to have figured him out and baits him into coming over the top when whitelime has him crushed, 2 and half bi's at 30 60 in 8 minutes, then more at 200 400, it was kind of a clinic on how to play ivey, obv the cards helped but it seemed like whitelime controlled it from start to finish.

FGators 07-19-2007 05:41 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
Whoever makes more hands are gonna win these.

The end.

Jimmy Vulmer 07-19-2007 05:45 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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TheJubilantMale 07-19-2007 06:18 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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baronzeus 07-19-2007 06:34 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Yeah I think Aba was tilting yesterday a couple of times. First Ivey crushed him, then he crushed Ivey (like 150k+), than Ivey recrushed him (like 100k+) and then he broke even but eventually Ivey crushed him 100% in the end.

However, I am not much of a railbird and did not follow so many hands since I was multitabling on the other screen. One time I saw aba making a pretty weak call with slowplayed twopair vs. runner runner flush.

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hahaha this is a hilarious hilarious post

Stake Monster 07-19-2007 06:34 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
As if you can tell much from ~500-1k hands of HU poker.

Let's just agree they're all pretty good?

JackTenOffSuit 07-19-2007 06:36 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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GiantWalleye 07-19-2007 06:54 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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I see your point, but Ivey leaves games a LOT when he gets even 40-50k or so down. When I'm watching one of his games and he does that, I don't think "what a poker god" when he takes his ball and goes home.

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He doesn't take his ball and go home, he takes his ball goes to the golf course and plays for 50K a hole.

JackTenOffSuit 07-19-2007 06:56 PM

Re: Ivey > Aba, PA, Durr, Zigmund, Krantz, etc.
 
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