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Gordon has essentially said that Yang is playing bad poker. I wish I were playing as bad as Yang is playing. Perhaps the A9 call would have been hopeless in most instances but he had Watkinson dominated. And yes he sucked out on the J8 suited. But overall he has been playing excellent big stack poker. Gordon is whining because Watkinson is his Full Tilt Teammate. Show some objectivity stretch. If I remember correctly, when you won your WPT Tournament, you played like crap at the end and got lucky. So kiss my rear.

DFSPON

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ahaha, Yang is worse than Gold.

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I hope for your sake this post is a level. 'Excellent big stack poker.' LOLZ.

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But overall he has been playing excellent big stack poker.

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Hahahahaha...wait...what????

I love how over-betting the pot and calling shoves with any 2 is actually considered "good poker" by anyone. Hopefully a new round of donks will share this view and play cash games with me. I'll be waiting.

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Hahahahaha...wait...what????

I love how over-betting the pot and calling shoves with any 2 is actually considered "good poker" by anyone. Hopefully a new round of donks will share this view and play cash games with me. I'll be waiting.

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Hahahaha...me too man. Im rooting for this uberdonk all the way.

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Phil Gordon should stop criticizing these players, he always says things like, "you have to take a stab here", this is the main event final table, let them play how they want too.

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couldnt agree with you more i cant stand some of his comments
hes playing great big stack poker and making some great players look like donks
like really a7 against a calling station anyone knows you dont bluff a calling station that has lots of chips

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I wish Gordon would stop criticizing and start analyzing.

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Yang is playing poorly and Gordon is correct, but clearly Gordon does too much criticizing. Between this telecast and the last, he may have mentioned *a few* too many times that limping is bad. We get the point, Phil.

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Whatever, you all would be all over him if he was Blandy McBlanderson.

If Jose Reyes struck out 20 times in a row, do you think after the sixth or seventh time that the announcers would give up mentioning how horrible he looks at the plate, how he was dropping his back shoulder too much or whatthehellever? Not a chance.

Do you really need a color comm guy who tells you that AK5 is a great flop for 55 or that "he needs a 9, and a 9 only, to stay in this tournament"? Gordon has strong opinions, and who knows, maybe that's why they want him on the broadcast?

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Gordon is not a strong player and his analysis is painful to listen to. He is a wealthy amateur who had some success at donkaments when they were smaller fields. He is also a a pretty good talker.

Gordon and Helmuth were criticizing the reraise allin with AQo by Rainkahn against the loose chip leader, which was absolutely an automatic play. Also, the reraise allin and call blind versus blind by Yang and Watkinson were standard. Gordon goes on about how limping is bad.

Yang is obviously not a polished player, but amateurs with an aggressive style have won about half the time lately, for example, Gold, Moneymaker, Varkonyi, and Furlong.

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Automatic play?

I think you are misunderstanding the structure differences between the WSOP final table and late in a Donkament online.

2 entirely different animals...

Calling with A9 there is not AUTOMATIC.

It is read specific....you better have some table dynamic understanding or a stong physical read...or else you fold.

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Automatic play?

I think you are misunderstanding the structure differences between the WSOP final table and late in a Donkament online.

2 entirely different animals...

Calling with A9 there is not AUTOMATIC.

It is read specific....you better have some table dynamic understanding or a stong physical read...or else you fold.

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I said calling with A9 BvB was standard. The reraise with AQ was automatic. With Yang's aggressive image, Watkinson's image as a fairly aggressive strong pro, and Yang being able to afford the chips, I think is was the correct play without a read.

I suppose you are saying that you should play weak/tight at a major tournament or assume other people are playing weak/tight. I think that depends on your read of the player and neither player here was a standard weak/tight live donkament player.

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lol Phil Gordon

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Yea it's not like he's ever been in the final 4 of the ME final table before, so what gives him the right to criticize?

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I was on his side for a while, but all he seems to do is criticize people's bet sizes....big deal, get over it. People can bet what they want, that's why it's no-limit. That's what makes it interesting.

Seems to work for some people anyway...

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he just called out 2p2 on the broadcast :<

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[x] NEEDS TO SAY LOL DONKAMENTS

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someone call in and level phil please

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Sir, may I introduce you to Bill Edler?

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Less Phil Gordon more Tony G.

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its hard when you suck at poker

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well, he just broke out the "lol donkament."

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I think PG is doing a great job at commentating.

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he just called out 2p2 on the broadcast :<

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What did he say?

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Classless the way he's ragging on Gavin Smith right now. No class.

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Weak tight idiot. Criticizes both players allin blind versus blind. Criticizes Yang for making loose calls of resteals and blind defence. These plays were slightly cEV-, but necessary for running over the table. Criticizes Rahme for pushing 4xpot on flop and overbet restealing. Rahme's play was a little crude and straightforward, but the pushes are not as reckless as they seem.

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Criticizes Rahme for pushing 4xpot on flop and overbet restealing. Rahme's play was a little crude and straightforward, but the pushes are not as reckless as they seem.

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Gordon obviously did not appreciate Rahme's near flawless play. From an AP story on Yahoo:

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Finally, Rahme went down when he pushed all-in with pocket kings on a board with an ace. After several minutes of pacing and a staredown, Yang made the call holding an ace and a five, for two aces, and Rahme shook his head in resignation.




"That was the only mistake I made in the whole tournament," Rahme said.

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how many bracelets does Gordon have again?.....oh wait....

Seriously can't stand some of the comments that were made. Thank Yang's gods for volume control.

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Do you really need a color comm guy who tells you that AK5 is a great flop for 55 or that "he needs a 9, and a 9 only, to stay in this tournament"? Gordon has strong opinions, and who knows, maybe that's why they want him on the broadcast?

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Yeah probably. I love it when he tells people how much to bet on each street, it's hilarious.

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Gordon won a WPT tournament and finished 4th at a WSOP ME. He has also written several very good basic poker books. If people don't like his style, that's understandable and strictly a matter of taste. He can be annoying and abrasive. But I'm guessing that he is a better poker player than the vast majority of the people who are whining about him being clueless.

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the Billy Packer of Poker

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I thought pretty much everything Yang did was spot on, considering his situation. He knew he was one of the worst players at the table. As a result, he made big bets and overbets putting the better players at risk for their stacks. The better players obviously would rather not take flips, since they know they have an advantage, so they passed. Combine that with people's desire to move up in prize money, and it worked quite well. I'll agree some of his calls were pretty donkish, but they had the very beneficial side effect of preventing people from playing back at him with marginal hands, since they knew he couldn't fold. He obviously ran well, but for a player who is bad and is going to get outplayed pretty consistently in the long run, making hands short and putting people to decisions for their stacks PF is the best way to play because it minimizes their edge against you.

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I thought pretty much everything Yang did was spot on, considering his situation. He knew he was one of the worst players at the table. As a result, he made big bets and overbets putting the better players at risk for their stacks. The better players obviously would rather not take flips, since they know they have an advantage, so they passed. Combine that with people's desire to move up in prize money, and it worked quite well. I'll agree some of his calls were pretty donkish, but they had the very beneficial side effect of preventing people from playing back at him with marginal hands, since they knew he couldn't fold. He obviously ran well, but for a player who is bad and is going to get outplayed pretty consistently in the long run, making hands short and putting people to decisions for their stacks PF is the best way to play because it minimizes their edge against you.

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Yeh, I agree with this, except for the part about being one of the worst players at the FT. He took control of the table from the beginning. He played an effective aggressive game. You can't raise all the time and fold easily to a reraise. The commentators said it was impossible to put him on a hand.

Someone who plays a technically correct but weak/tight readable game is not necessarily a better player than someone who plays an aggressive unpredictable game. There were about several fairly strong players there and some more readable ABC types.

Yang could have been out if he had worse luck at the beginning. He and Rahme were the only two amateurs and both played in an obviously less polished style than the others. Yang is not as strong a player as Watkinson or Kravchenko, but I don't think he was one of the worse players at the FT.

Yang played very aggressively and took control of the table early, particularly with the hand he got Childs to lay down QQ face up. He won a coin flip with TPTK against pair and flush draw and a preflop coin flop and preflop 2-1 dog hand early. Then he played a pretty strong big stack game.

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Gordon won a WPT tournament and finished 4th at a WSOP ME. He has also written several very good basic poker books. If people don't like his style, that's understandable and strictly a matter of taste. He can be annoying and abrasive. But I'm guessing that he is a better poker player than the vast majority of the people who are whining about him being clueless.

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Who likes to hear himself talk, hence him looking like a complete tool on poker after dark claiming to make stupid sophisticated reads against Sexton and opponents. And I could write a book on poker, doesn't give me the right to call one of the final four players at the ME an idiot for putting pressure on the big stack because he's a little inexperienced in that kind of a lime light. IMO Gordon just likes to hear himself talk about his overly thought-out philosophies about the unlimited texas hold them, being one of the most mediocre amatuer authors/players out there.

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Who likes to hear himself talk, hence him looking like a complete tool on poker after dark claiming to make stupid sophisticated reads against Sexton and opponents. And I could write a book on poker, doesn't give me the right to call one of the final four players at the ME an idiot for putting pressure on the big stack because he's a little inexperienced in that kind of a lime light. IMO Gordon just likes to hear himself talk about his overly thought-out philosophies about the unlimited texas hold them, being one of the most mediocre amatuer authors/players out there.

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He gets paid to give opinions on what everyone has and so on. I couldn't do it. He is a pretty good talker with good presentation, looks, as so on.

However, his commentary was very ABC and weak/tight. He kept talking about how this or that is an automatic raise or bet, how people were playing too risky, and how you shouldn't limp or very the size of your preflop raises. Like playing in an obvious way is the way to win at the WSOP ME FT.

I actually don't think his books are that bad. However, he is a rich guy who enters a zillion major tournaments and made some final tables. I don't know if he could consistantly win playing many medium stakes online or live tournaments or at reasonable stakes cash games.

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I like PG and his books and DVD and website.

My problem with the commentary was that it was so basic ironically I felt there was not any "expert insight" for me in the commentary - I really think Daniel N , Hellmuth or possibly a lt of players could have given us more to get our teeth in to in the commentary - though perhaps ESPN had a policy of encouraging im to keep it simple.

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I like PG and his books and DVD and website.

My problem with the commentary was that it was so basic ironically I felt there was not any "expert insight" for me in the commentary - I really think Daniel N , Hellmuth or possibly a lt of players could have given us more to get our teeth in to in the commentary - though perhaps ESPN had a policy of encouraging im to keep it simple.

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touche' sir