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Okay.. I wasn't really sure where to post this, but OOT seemed like the most appropriate place. My friend who also plays poker and I like to bet on various crap. The other day the topic of running comes up, and he eventually bets me that I could not run 5 miles without stopping in 45 minutes (on a regular track).

A little background: I ran cross-country my freshman year in high school. I was decent but nothing special. My best time was 20:xx (5k or 3.1 mile race). Fast forward 4 years later, and I am incredibly out of shape.

I thought I could definitely do it in 45 mins with the $$ incentive, but yesterday I was talking to my friend who used to play soccer competitively, and he said that 45 mins would have been very hard even for him back when he was playing soccer and tennis year-round.

So, do you think 45 mins is reasonable? Or should I try for more time? We havn't shook on anything yet, so nothing is set in stone.

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I think you'll fail. Get some serious odds on this.

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You know how with a marathon they say when you run 20 miles you're halfway done?

For out of shape people doing 5 miles, when you run 4 you're halfway done, especially when you're on the clock.

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I think you'll fail. Get some serious odds on this.

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I was pushing for odds, but he didn't want to give odds. Without odds how many minutes do you think I should try to get? 50? 55?

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how long do you get to train ?

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how long do you get to train ?

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lol he wants to do it this saturday

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btw if this goes down tomorrow you have zerooooooooo shot. i mean you have zero shot of doing it without stopping probably, regardless of the time limit? (unless of course its something stupid like 2 hours)

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I think I could def do it without a time limit since I could just do a really slow jog. But the time limit definitely complicates things. Cramps could def be a problem.

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"Incredibly out of shape" can mean a lot of different things. How overweight are you? I was a moderately crappy x-country runner like you in 9th grade, also got really out of shape with a year long poker, drinking, and inactivity binge but was never more than 15lbs overweight and still would have won this bet any day of the year.

I think you have a real chance. The no stopping rule is stupid. What if your shoelace comes untied or something? I'd get that thrown out.

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Do you exercise at all right now? How long since you ran in high school? I doubt you could just head out after 10 years and average a 9 minute mile over a 5-mile course.

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lol he wants to do it this saturday

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what does "without stopping" mean? Seems to me "run X miles in Y time" covers it. If you stop to catch your breath for 1 minute, but still make the time, does that count?

running <10 minute miles without training is very very hard. If it was 2 miles in 20 minutes maybe, but 5 miles sounds out of reach.

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Do you exercise at all right now? How long since you ran in high school? I doubt you could just head out after 10 years and average a 9 minute mile over a 5-mile course.

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A little background: I ran cross-country my freshman year in high school. I was decent but nothing special. My best time was 20:xx (5k or 3.1 mile race). Fast forward 4 years later, and I am incredibly out of shape.



so he is a SR in HS, I think since he is young, it could be doable, its not like he is 27 and hasnt worked out since college or anything.

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Do you exercise at all right now? How long since you ran in high school? I doubt you could just head out after 10 years and average a 9 minute mile over a 5-mile course.

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A little background: I ran cross-country my freshman year in high school. I was decent but nothing special. My best time was 20:xx (5k or 3.1 mile race). Fast forward 4 years later, and I am incredibly out of shape.



so he is a SR in HS, I think since he is young, it could be doable, its not like he is 27 and hasnt worked out since college or anything.

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I agree it's probably doable if he is still in high school. I was envisioning a 27 year old office worker heading out to the track for the first time this century.

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You're an idiot if you take this without odds. Seriously, no chance. Maybe an hour, but I'd want odds on that. And toss the no stopping rule, that's just stupid. You should be allowed to stop however much you want...stopping costs you time, he should love it if you make frequent stops.

25:1 on 45 minutes with no stopping, nothing less.

I'd still want 3:1 or better on 60 minutes with stopping.

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I'd say the odds are against you doing this, but the fact that you're still in high school at least leaves this in the possible zone.

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"Incredibly out of shape" can mean a lot of different things. How overweight are you? I was a moderately crappy x-country runner like you in 9th grade, also got really out of shape with a year long poker, drinking, and inactivity binge but was never more than 15lbs overweight and still would have won this bet any day of the year.

I think you have a real chance. The no stopping rule is stupid. What if your shoelace comes untied or something? I'd get that thrown out.

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I only ran cross-country my freshman year. I just graduated high school a month ago. I'm a little overweight. 5'6 150ish. Throughout high school i played cyo basketball during the winter and occasionally would go for a 1-2 mile jog. I've had a few stints where I started to regularly run, but they didn't last very long.

I think the no stopping part was more for when we didn't have a time limit. But now that there is a time limit, it's basically just run 5 miles in 45 mins.

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I was talking to my friend who used to play soccer competitively, and he said that 45 mins would have been very hard even for him back when he was playing soccer and tennis year-round.


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I don't know what kind of shape you're in, so it's impossible for me to say, but this comment by your friend strikes me as strange. I am in good shape, but am not super athletic by any means... If you saw me in person, you would just say "OK, he's a normal guy, not out of shape, whatever."

And while I run regularly (10-15 miles a week, let's say 3 times a week at like 3/4/4 miles, or 4 times a week at 3/3/3/4), I'm FAR from being a "runner" or anything like that... basically, a normal guy who runs a bit to keep in shape.

And I can do 5 miles in 45 min quite easily. If push came to shove and I had a month to prepare, I'm sure I could do it in 40 min.

So I don't understand how a super-fit soccer player would have difficulty with this? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I don't know what kind of shape you're in, so it's impossible for me to say, but this comment by your friend strikes me as strange. I am in good shape, but am not super athletic by any means... If you saw me in person, you would just say "OK, he's a normal guy, not out of shape, whatever."

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I don't know. His comment surprised me as well. Maybe because he never did a ton of long distance running. But there's a crapload of running during a soccer game, so I dunno. I think he would have had an easier time at this than he expects, but now he is injured.

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I just graduated high school a month ago. I'm a little overweight. 5'6 150ish. Throughout high school i played cyo basketball during the winter and occasionally would go for a 1-2 mile jog. I've had a few stints where I started to regularly run, but they didn't last very long.


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Ok so you're 18. Your 'rebound' time should be good. Have him give you two weeks to train if he wont give you odds.

I could run/walk 5 miles in probably 90 minutes without killing myself. I know I could hobble my 37 year old ass 1 mile in <10 minutes if I had to right now, but that would have to be a very big "had to" since it would totally expend everything I had.

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you're talking a 9 minute mile for someone out of shape. you're effed.

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you're talking a 9 minute mile for someone out of shape. you're effed.

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youre a [censored] repository of stupid know it all posts arent you? from teh black tie thing, to this. moran. If my mom can WALK a 1.2 miles in 15 minutes, im sure most people can run one in 9.

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youre a [censored] repository of stupid know it all posts arent you? from teh black tie thing, to this. moran. If my mom can WALK a 1.2 miles in 15 minutes, im sure most people can run one in 9.

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I'm sure you're wrong.

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I just graduated high school a month ago. I'm a little overweight. 5'6 150ish. Throughout high school i played cyo basketball during the winter and occasionally would go for a 1-2 mile jog. I've had a few stints where I started to regularly run, but they didn't last very long.


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Ok so you're 18. Your 'rebound' time should be good. Have him give you two weeks to train if he wont give you odds.

I could run/walk 5 miles in probably 90 minutes without killing myself. I know I could hobble my 37 year old ass 1 mile in <10 minutes if I had to right now, but that would have to be a very big "had to" since it would totally expend everything I had.

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Try it and report back.

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youre a [censored] repository of stupid know it all posts arent you? from teh black tie thing, to this. moran. If my mom can WALK a 1.2 miles in 15 minutes, im sure most people can run one in 9.

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I'm sure you're wrong.

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most people in teh OPs age range ldo.

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youre a [censored] repository of stupid know it all posts arent you? from teh black tie thing, to this. moran. If my mom can WALK a 1.2 miles in 15 minutes, im sure most people can run one in 9.

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I'm sure you're wrong.

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most people in teh OPs age range ldo.

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That I'll agree with.

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if you had 6 weeks to train, i think it would be close.

as is, i think you'd need 65 minutes to get it done.

five miles in 45 minutes is a very good pace.

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I went to the first Google result for "5 mile run results" and 45 minutes would put you 88th of 100 runners men age 20-29. So of people who would actually sign up for and participate in a competitive run, who we can safely assume have done some degree of training, 1 out of 8 of them can't do it. Without seeing you, in an even-money bet, I'd bet against you.

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Or, before you make the bet, go try it and see what you can do. This isn't rocket science.

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I went to the first Google result for "5 mile run results" and 45 minutes would put you 88th of 100 runners men age 20-29. So of people who would actually sign up for and participate in a competitive run, who we can safely assume have done some degree of training, 1 out of 8 of them can't do it. Without seeing you, in an even-money bet, I'd bet against you.

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Wow, seriously? Then I'm close to 90th percentile. Cool.

OP, I'm about your height and I weigh a little more than you. I started jogging 4x/week last summer to get in shape, gradually improving my times and whatnot. On a treadmill.

It took about 8 months jogging 4x/week for me to get anywhere close to 5 miles at a 9 minute mile pace. I haven't tried to do 5 miles in 45 mins yet, but I did do 3 miles at a 8 minute mile pace so I could probably if I pushed myself. I think the best I've done is like 5 miles in 46:30 or so up to this point. Again, that's on a treadmill, so I probably would be a little slower outside.

In any case, this will not be easy at all with only a few days training.

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Or, before you make the bet, go try it and see what you can do. This isn't rocket science.

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I could do that, but I really don't feel like running 5 miles for nothing. The only reason I'm doing this is for the $ and to prove him wrong. Plus, if we do it this saturday, I dont wan't my legs to be sore the day of the actual thing.

I've gotten him to up it to 48 minutes, but I'm still pushing for 50. I would love to get odds, but I don't think he will give in. I don't think he wants to risk 5 figures even if he is pretty confident.

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read seke's post, you would be insane to take this bet this weekend.

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read seke's post, you would be insane to take this bet this weekend.

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Or just have sick gamble [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Not that anyone really cares, but if this goes down, I will bump this thread with results.

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I played basketball and baseball every year at a small private highschool. I never worked out outside of sports besides playing pickup basketball/football games with my buddies. I was the 2nd slowest guy on most of the teams and am not very athletic. I ran a 7:10-7:30 fairly easily by just keeping my body moving and my two mile time was around 17. I've never ran more than 3 miles at once so I wouldnt know whether to take this bet or not.

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I played basketball and baseball every year at a small private highschool. I never worked out outside of sports besides playing pickup basketball/football games with my buddies. I was the 2nd slowest guy on most of the teams and am not very athletic. I ran a 7:10-7:30 fairly easily by just keeping my body moving and my two mile time was around 17. I've never ran more than 3 miles at once so I wouldnt know whether to take this bet or not.

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The answer is pretty clearly no. If you run 1 mile at 7:30, and 2 miles at 8:30 apiece, you really don't think there would be a pretty big drop off once you start getting into 3, 4, or 5 miles?

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Like 3 or 4 of my good friends ran cross country in high school 4 years. I would put them in the average shape category for this age group, since our school had mandatory sports, but we weren't particularly rigorous. They didn't train ultra hard or "eat right", which I assume is how I'd classify you.

They ran 3 miles in about 24 minutes (non track). I think if you were in the shape where you ran 3 miles a day (like these guys) you could manage to do 45 minutes if you were prepared with hydration and ate properly the day before etc and strained it. Otherwise, not a chance.

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djk,

If you are incredibly out of shape and haven't run for three years, then you won't be able to do it. With a little training it's not very hard, though.

"I was talking to my friend who used to play soccer competitively, and he said that 45 mins would have been very hard even for him back when he was playing soccer and tennis year-round."

That is weird. I right now run 5 in 50 and with a little training could do 45 easily. What sort of competitive soccer does he play where he considers 5 in 45 very hard?

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it's impossible to say without knowing you since some out of shape people are a lot faster than others. i think you can do it in 50 minutes if you really want it and are decently athletic and maybe even if you aren't as long as you are willing to endure the pain.

and re: your soccer friend, i played (real?) competitive soccer in high school and i think some of my team mates would've come in around the 30 minute mark and would be surprised if anyone didn't make it in 45.

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assuming you are a decent runner, if you had adequate time to train you should be able to do this w/o much trouble. when i ran xc in high school we used to do a loop around a lake that was about 7 miles. iirc, runners who ran around your 5k time were expected to do it in about an hour, so this should be doable.

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he's not training. this seems like instant gratification type bet. therefore he will fail. pretty simple.

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bah, then probably not based on his 5k time. also the fact that his friend has trouble doing this doesn't mean very much