$11 PS, AK facing large reraise
 

Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)

MP3 (t2070)
CO (t1700)
Button (t650)
SB (t1730)
<font color="Red">BB (t2190)</font>
UTG (t1820)
UTG+1 (t1490)
<font color="Red">Hero (t1550)</font>
MP2 (t300)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], A[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]].
<font color="Grey">2 folds</font>, <font color="Red">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="Gray">4 folds</font>, SB calls t85, <font color="red">BB raises to t480</font>, Hero ???

Final Pot: t680


I felt like the raise was screaming AA/KK, with some but far less consideration to QQ/AKs, maaaaaybe JJ but doubtful. Only 15 hands into it though and so far villian has been involved with 2 pots, nothing out of the ordinary.

Am I a total nit giving $11 players too much credit on their range here or is this an easy fold?

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I'd let this one go, a bit early to get committed to AK. Coinflip at best. Loads of better spots [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

AK vs 77+,AKs,AKo is 42% vs 58%

I've seen plenty people here who suggest calling Ak in the very early levels.

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i would be one of those guys usually in favor of callin this raise. i agree with you though Chip that raise is a petty big one and he is trying to tell you something. i don't think AA/or KK though im thinking more along the lines of QQ maybe JJ afraid to see a flop. with that being said it depends if you want to commit yourself. btw did he go to showdown with the two pots that he was in? and if so what did he show

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This is where sharkscope is invaluable [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] At 11s vs a stranger this might be a +EV call although I think I prefer to lay it down and wait for better spots and better reads.. particularly since this is not a turbo.

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I'm never calling this raise it's a fold/shove spot for me. I probably shove it the majority of the time in a low buy-in against an unknown.

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To everyone saying push (which btw, i should have mentioned im either pushing or folding- never calling), what are you putting villian on? Cause with only 100 chips committed at 15/30 blinds in a nonturbo, i am certainly not looking to get it in on a coinflip. Do you guys think he has a worse A / AK often enough here to push, or that i actually have enough FE to get him off a pair. Generally when they reraise so large, they dont plan on folding, but maybe i havent been in this spot often enough.

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Cause with only 100 chips committed at 15/30 blinds in a nonturbo,

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I was about to vote along the shove - fold lines but missed it's a nonturbo. Given it's not a turbo, fold seems like the right thing to do. I'm going to guess that those that jumped out with shove also assumed turbo.

Re: $11 PS, AK facing large reraise
 

fold. regardless of turbo.

Never call.

Shove good against guy with high VPP and PFR.

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fold. regardless of turbo.

Never call.

Shove good against guy with high VPP and PFR.

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You are voting fold here correct? Wondering why you go with fold here and go this way here...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post11239914

Re: $11 PS, AK facing large reraise
 

ummm. The situation is totally different. Blinds are much higher in other thread.

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True... but this comment...
"AK dominates and plays well against just about every hand" is not really centered around blinds. No problems, just asking...

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To everyone saying push (which btw, i should have mentioned im either pushing or folding- never calling), what are you putting villian on? Cause with only 100 chips committed at 15/30 blinds in a nonturbo, i am certainly not looking to get it in on a coinflip. Do you guys think he has a worse A / AK often enough here to push, or that i actually have enough FE to get him off a pair. Generally when they reraise so large, they dont plan on folding, but maybe i havent been in this spot often enough.

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I knew it was a normal $11.

Against an unknown I'm going to assume they don't have AA or KK the vast majority of the time with that raise. I also think you have some FE preflop. Most likely you're against a medium pair that calls, but you will also get calls from smaller A's and some really sketchy stuff like KQ and KJ in these.

If you add everything up I believe you're solidly +EV pushing this.

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The BB has something like JJ or QQ. He raised so big because he doesn't want to play out of position.

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The BB has something like JJ or QQ. He raised so big because he doesn't want to play out of position.

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You're giving way too much credit to the typical unknown in these low buy-in regular structure SnG's.

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The BB has something like JJ or QQ. He raised so big because he doesn't want to play out of position.

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You're giving way too much credit to the typical unknown in these low buy-in regular structure SnG's.

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Heres the problem with your reasoning.

1. I believe he said the guy hasn't got out of line yet.
2. Not everyone at low stakes is an idiot.
3. We both agree you can't just call. So you have to shove.
4. You have very little FE.

5. If he really is an idiot your going to have alot of great chances to double through him. So why risk it now when you havent seen him act like an idiot?
6. You still have alot of chips. No reason to force the action into a coin flip.

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let go readless. this is a pretty strong rr.

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The BB has something like JJ or QQ. He raised so big because he doesn't want to play out of position.

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You're giving way too much credit to the typical unknown in these low buy-in regular structure SnG's.

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Heres the problem with your reasoning.

1. I believe he said the guy hasn't got out of line yet.
2. Not everyone at low stakes is an idiot.
3. We both agree you can't just call. So you have to shove.
4. You have very little FE.

5. If he really is an idiot your going to have alot of great chances to double through him. So why risk it now when you havent seen him act like an idiot?
6. You still have alot of chips. No reason to force the action into a coin flip.

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If you're putting a random player in an 11 on a range that includes only two hands here, you have some serious leaks.

In response to the numbered points:

1. Its 15 hands, so what?
2. True, but most are
3. Yes, shoving is good
4. This is way off. You should have very good FE against a lot of hands.
5. We dont know if he's an idiot yet - its been 15 hands. We have a strong hand and - yes - FOLD EQUITY!
6. This might be a reason to fold vs a known tight player. Again we dont know anything. Its been 15 hands. I would lean towards assuming this player is on a fairly wide range that we have very good pot equity against.

I'd shove.

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heh fine. Shove away!