Can player action affect deal?
 

Hope this is the right forum for this curiosity question.

Does my action (fold, call, raise, cursor position, time to act, etc) have any effect on the "seed" for the RNG?

When I play live, I can see that when the cards are dealt thru the river what hand I would have made if I had not folded, so is that still true online?

Not questioning the randomness of the deal, just want to know if I can use the results to decide if my fold or call was the correct decision.

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Not questioning the randomness of the deal, just want to know if I can use the results to decide if my fold or call was the correct decision.

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You can't even do that live. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I think what you're trying to ask is if the deck becomes static after the initial pre-deal shuffle, the answer to which is no (for some sites at least). Look for info on your own sites RNG to find out for sure.

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I read somewhere that the major poker sites use time as a randomizing factor, so the cards dealt are different if you took more or less time to make a decision.

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Not questioning the randomness of the deal, just want to know if I can use the results to decide if my fold or call was the correct decision.

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I'm sorry but your logic is horrible. You're basically saying if you fold AA preflop and a guy with KK hits a K on the flop you made the correct decision.

You don't need to see the results to know if your decision was correct or not.

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I've heard UB is random so you can't tell whether you would have hit the flop but pokerstars is fixed so you would have flopped the same flop if you didnt fold.

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i heard that on party/stars, this is the case, and your action is used to seed the rng. Of course, it is of no consequence.

However, it can be psychologically useful to help ignore the randomness of the game, e.g. if i fold my KQ and the flop comes KQQ, then I don't really care or become emotionally involved - after all, if I had called, the flop would have of course come 567.

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yes, that is really my goal, So I can say "well my fold was correct and I can ignore the reality staring at me when it appears I would have made the nuts because it would have been different if I had stayed in"


Yes, I realize past results should not influence correctly made decisions....but I'm human and a little superstitious....

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yes, that is really my goal, So I can say "well my fold was correct and I can ignore the reality staring at me when it appears I would have made the nuts because it would have been different if I had stayed in"


Yes, I realize past results should not influence correctly made decisions....but I'm human and a little superstitious....

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we all start as fish. good luck.

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On Absolute Poker you can see the next street if the hand is finished on the flop or turn. So i assume this site uses a "fixed" deal.

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yes, that is really my goal, So I can say "well my fold was correct and I can ignore the reality staring at me when it appears I would have made the nuts because it would have been different if I had stayed in"


Yes, I realize past results should not influence correctly made decisions....but I'm human and a little superstitious....

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So wait... a guy goes all in preflop and you fold JJ. The guy behind you calls and it's AJ vs. QQ... J hits the flop... you think you made the wrong decision?

Not trying to be an [censored], but s/n please?

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yes, that is really my goal, So I can say "well my fold was correct and I can ignore the reality staring at me when it appears I would have made the nuts because it would have been different if I had stayed in"


Yes, I realize past results should not influence correctly made decisions....but I'm human and a little superstitious....

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So wait... a guy goes all in preflop and you fold JJ. The guy behind you calls and it's AJ vs. QQ... J hits the flop... you think you made the wrong decision?

Not trying to be an [censored], but s/n please?

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It is really more as another poster said about keeping on an even mental keel and removing the "oh #$%^ if I had just stayed in I would have won a big pot!" from affecting my play since I know the cards would have been different had I taken a different action. I have my faults in poker and staying off tilt is one of them. Knowing my actions do affect what cards come (not that anything is rigged, just influnced), can help me with this aspect of my game. I can now ignore this when it happens and maybe play better as a result. So, now when I fold the nut flush draw to the all-in turn bet and the river would have made my flush....i'm ok with it....

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On Absolute Poker you can see the next street if the hand is finished on the flop or turn. So i assume this site uses a "fixed" deal.

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Maybe or maybe not. Just because they show you a rabbit doesn't prove it really would have been the next card.

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Your asking the wrong kind of question. It doesn't matter, is the short answer though. The decision you make to fold or call/raise is either optimal or non-optimal.

You may fold for instance 53o and the flop hits 553 but at the time when you folded was it the correct optimal play ? These decisions of course must be based on many factors including: hand rank, position, stack size, opponents stack size, pot odds, implied/reverse implied odds, opponents betting/calling/bluffing tendencies, blind levels, loose/ tight table considerations, your 'read' on your opponents etc. etc. etc. in short processing all available information to make the best (optimal) play that you can.

You can only make a decision with the information you have at your disposal at the time you have to make that decision. Thats the best you can do. What cards fall after you fold/call/raise are completely irrelevent I'm afraid. Use the time after you fold a hand to watch the way other players play, what did they call/raise with ? From what position ? Was that congruent with their previous actions ? From what situation are they likely to try and bluff ? How can I best exploit these things ? Make notes on anything that stands out.
Theres tons of things you should be noticing about players tendencies after you have folded a hand if you want to be the best that you can and have the edge.

Noticing how the flop falls and getting worked up about it tells me that your not properly focused in the way that you could be.

If all that sounds like a lot of work then try playing multiple tables and then you won't have time to notice what you might have flopped [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]