50NL AA vs floating villian
 

Villain is 29.6/17.6/2.29 after 142 hands. He had been floating me and caught me the hand before.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $50.00
BB: $50.40
Hero (UTG): $89.30
CO: $92.65
BTN: $46.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, CO calls $2.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $20.00</font>, Hero calls $12.00

River: ($51.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.50</font>, CO calls $20.50

Pot Size: $92.50 ($3 Rake)

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

I don't think calling turn then donking into him on the river achieves much here. I prefer just plain re-raising the turn.

A different line, if he likes to float is to check-raise river. Obviously here though you are deep and cant be 100% about if you are ahead. So your donk bet acts/is a blocking bet. However most better players will exploit this, imo.

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I don't think calling turn then donking into him on the river achieves much here. I prefer just plain re-raising the turn.

A different line, if he likes to float is to check-raise river. Obviously here though you are deep and cant be 100% about if you are ahead. So your donk bet acts/is a blocking bet. However most better players will exploit this, imo.

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In a similar situation I was told to block/value bet for about half the pot. So if I check I'm sure I catch hell from tons of people telling me to do the other, so which is it?

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

I think the turn is an easy shove.

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

Even if he is floating on you, this isn't the type of board you want him getting another card on. I'm allin on the turn. NL Holdem will provide different boards and different situations that give players opportunties to execute an array of different plays. Even though in a similar situation a block value bet onn the river was the best play, in this situation the best play (IMO) is to get in on the turn.

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I think the turn is an easy shove.

[/ QUOTE ]Even with the stacks as deep as they are?

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

notice stack sizes...what is villian callin a push w/ on the turn that we beat???

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

shoving turn seems spewish. We're almost 200bb deep. Only one real set to worry about and one draw. I'm thinking this is KQ a lot.

Bet turn harder and fold to a raise? People tend to get much tighter deep.

If you really want to see a showdown and control the pot, c/c turn and reeval river.

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

I dont like b/f on this turn at all b/c&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;b/f

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

I guess nobody so far agrees with me, but I like your line.
- Checking the turn is extremely weak since you're still way ahead of his range.
- When you get raised very small, calling is correct for sure because of stack sizes. 3betting the turn essentially commits your stack and will not really get called by worse hands unless he completely sucks, which it seems like he doesn't.
- I like the blocking bet, mainly because the river is not a blank (3rd diamond). Good way to see a showdown. Also if he shoves over it you know you're beat and can fold.

If he had KQ or 88 that sucks, given the history you described. (I'm assuming this is somewhat similar to how he floated you in the past, otherwise the history is either irrelevant or should be dictating that you play the hand differently than this.)

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I dont like b/f on this turn at all b/c&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;b/f

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Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

i would c/r the turn to work on slowing down the floaty business. if he checks behind, i'd be real suspicious given the fact that he just busted you and isn't moving on the pot there. i think its real unlikely this type of player takes the free card with a good draw in that situation.

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

what's raising us that we beat except air? We've got up to 8 outs, but none of them are clean and that's only towards the bottom of his range. This deep, unless villain is a good lag or spew monkey, JT is probably calling again with position.

This is air, or something that kills us. We bet for value, sure, against Kx or whatever that called us on the flop.

floaty villains, like me, like to see a chk on the turn that we can bet our opponent off of. We don't generally raise a second barrel without the goods; we were letting a pot build on a dry flop with something good.

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I didn't notice the deepish stacks. I think I like OP's line in this case.

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i would c/r the turn to work on slowing down the floaty business. if he checks behind, i'd be real suspicious given the fact that he just busted you and isn't moving on the pot there. i think its real unlikely this type of player takes the free card with a good draw in that situation.

[/ QUOTE ]My only problem with that is that if he IS on the draw I can't give him that card for free. Plus at this point the only hand I'm really scared of here is KQ. If this is the case I have quite a number of outs to call and hit going to the river.

Re: 50NL AA vs floating villian
 

i really don't think villain will take a free card there with any hand granted his playstyle and the fact that he just busted OP