$50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Ok Im raising here UTG, Just arrived at the table so no reads on anyone. First of all do you guys call the 3-bet? Then whats your action on the turn?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $37.55
BB: $49.20
Duke748 (UTG): $49.00
MP: $148.55
CO: $47.75
BTN: $20.85

Preflop: Duke748 is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Duke748 raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, 4 folds, Duke748 calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Duke748 checks, <font color="red">MP bets $11.00</font>, <font color="red">Duke748 raises to $22.00</font>, MP calls $11.00

Turn: ($58.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Duke748 ?</font>

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

If this is your first orbit at the table, then I fold to his 3bet.

Min check raise is no good here because he has an overpair a lot here and AK is the only hand you're folding out in his range.

After he calls your cr, you need to cf turn.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

I ... Fold preflop. Fold flop. Fold turn out of turn.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

fold preflop to 3bet, no way you can play this profitably post.

c/c or c/f flop, c/r is only getting called by the part of his range that beats you.

Now that we've reached turn, if I have more than half my stack in and have represented strength I'm going to open push and see if he can fold his overpair.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Provided you ask this sort of questions, fold preflop. I dont mean fold to a reraise, I mean just fold.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

If you've just arrived at the table and have no sense of how this table is running I agree, this is a fold pre. Also, if you've just arrived at the table, what are you doing posting UTG?

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Raising UTG with SCs is fine.
Calling the 3bet is bad absent reads.
Calling the 3bet then falling in love with TP is horrible.

If you're going to checkraise, make it bigger. A min checkraise can scare Villain, but fold equity is small, you need to follow up on the next street.

As played, I'm torn between c/f and shoving. A shove here will probably get villian to fold JJ, certainly overcards.
QQ is a tossup, AA/KK is always calling. We have a fair amount of outs against those overcards, so I think semibluff shoving is okay in this spot.

Because this is your first orbit, I think the benefit to your image tips the decision towards shoving.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Only real bet you can make is a push though I really hate your flop raise. I could see calling his flop bet pushing the turn but as played you really dont have enough to push the majority of his range off this hand

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

a couple things here.... LOL AT CORSAKH.... and ocdscale ure giving him too much fe... for me aa-qq =SNAP CALL especially against someone i dont know... people show down all sorts of crap here...jj= probably call and 99-tt=tossup... hero wtf fold to 3bet pf

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

You absolutely must fold this to a 3bet pre-flop. I think I found out why - you have no idea where you're at, and you're investing your entire stack on a marginal hand

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

I do find it interesting that he didnt come back over the top on the flop. I still think you will have trouble pushing him off any overpair, but if he was floating ak you at least should get him to fold that.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

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Raising UTG with SCs is fine.
Calling the 3bet is bad absent reads.
Calling the 3bet then falling in love with TP is horrible.


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Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

I agree with most, fold to 3 bet preflop, oop against big stack. But playing it as you did, looking at his stack, and the fact that he didn't just reraise you all in, it looks like you're good and I would push incase he has Ax of spades.

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I agree with most, fold to 3 bet preflop, oop against big stack. But playing it as you did, looking at his stack, and the fact that he didn't just reraise you all in, it looks like you're good and I would push incase he has Ax of spades.

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Speechless.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Fold PF, fold flop plz.
As played push on turn, you have only 21$ left and pot is 58$ + 21$ if he calls.
With only a bit of FE and odds to hit the flush or one of 2 remaining 8s you can do it now. IMHO shove &gt; c/f.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Well, I hate just about everything about the whole hand.

I hate the preflop open first hand at the table against a bunch of unknowns. Even if it weren't early in the session, I still dislike the open as a general rule. Of course, occasionally we do it, but as a matter of course, I hate it.

I hate with a passion the call of the 3b too. IMO this is unarguably -EV (notwithstanding meta considerations, which are negligable/zero here).

After that, it's all just spew and insanity and I hate it. I doubt the flop cr is folding any better hand that has 3b us pre - I mean, this villain could be 12/8, right? The fact villain called just means JJ/QQ/KK are a bit more likely that AA. But frankly that is pretty thin consolation. C/r to try and fold 99 (and we have one of the remaining 3 nines, so 99 is unlikely) TT or JJ is just too marginal for no good reason.

Bleugh, I'm too seasick after all that madness to think about the rest if the hand. Hate it all. Even if this is a thinly veiled brag post, in which case, meh, grats I guess.

Just IMO.

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I agree with most, fold to 3 bet preflop, oop against big stack. But playing it as you did, looking at his stack, and the fact that he didn't just reraise you all in, it looks like you're toast but I would push in case he has something other than an overpair more than about 3% of the time because we're close to that price anyway against one and folding the likes of TT (wishful thinking) even one time in fifty is a coup

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Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Its certainly not a brag post.... as u can see I have only a few posts and Im here to post up hands and learn from my mistakes or confirm my decisions. Here's my thoughts. It was'nt my 1st hand but it was early on in the session. I thought that by raising utg Im representing a big hand. MP 3bets my hand so I suspect either biggish pair or AQ, AK. I hit TP on flop, I check... ok this may not be ideal but Im thinking if he has AK, AQ he will bet out. If Im putting him on AK, AQ then a re-raise after his cb should make him fold. He calls. Now Im thinking he has a big pair. I get flush draw on turn. The only chance I have of winning the hand now is to push and hopes he lays down JJ-QQ right? He calls me down all day long with AA-KK, but probably lays down JJ-QQ given my aggression and UTG?

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

Kinda... you don't need him to fold very much here. Just occasionally. Or a mad underpair or something. Any other result than a call from him with a better hand is great +$$$$$. A call from him with a better hand is only marginally bad -½$.
EDIT: That is to say you would never bet here TO fold out QQ readless unless you were insane but the pot's big enough for you to attempt it at little cost and huge gain. But it's the chances of a weird AK or a weaktight fold combined with the chance you'll outdraw that make a shove best here ie you kinda butchered the hand to this point but this decision is still one you can get right and that counts.

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

I cannot imagine a worse way to play this hand.

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OK so I'm dim and you could call his open shove for profit [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] EDIT: But at least I ran the numbers

Stack left: 20
Pot if called: 98.75
You win against AA: 22.7%
You get back 22.41
Profit 2.24

But it's interesting to look at the difference a fold one in fifty times makes (brevity is the soul of arithmetic)

He folds 2% (1 in 50)
2% of 58.75 = 1.175
98% of 2.241 = 2.196
Combined = 3.37

An extra dollar [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: $50nl Suited Conns UTG
 

fold pf. that is all.