find a fold?
 

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

flop? turn? river? (aggressor is unknown, my read on other guy is that he is def folding river)

Re: find a fold?
 

fold preflop, fold flop

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preflop? no chance

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Preflop and flop is fine. Turn is ok too and on the River I think it is a tough laydown. I don't really think that UTG bets something worse if he is a bit reasonable.

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give me one hand you beat on the river

River is a fold, I think turn is very close as well

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1st 2 streets are standard.

Turn is a fold, somewhat close, but a fold.

River is a fold, period.

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give me one hand you beat on the river

River is a fold, I think turn is very close as well

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4 handed?

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Ad9d AdTd Ad8d etc. any suited diamond ace other than KQJ and 7.

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Preflop is standard.

Turn is definitely a call guys.

Flop is closer than turn but still a call.

River is harsh, but 3-way I think I fold.

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Preflop is standard.

Turn is definitely a call guys.

Flop is closer than turn but still a call.

River is harsh, but 3-way I think I fold.

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If you're going to fold the river 3-way after spiking one of your outs, why are you calling the turn? Raise the turn to force BB to call two? Otherwise, call turn, fold river when we hit a pair seems weird...are you only drawing the A + gutter?

I still like a turn fold.

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Preflop is standard.

Turn is definitely a call guys.

Flop is closer than turn but still a call.

River is harsh, but 3-way I think I fold.

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If you're going to fold the river 3-way after spiking one of your outs, why are you calling the turn? Raise the turn to force BB to call two? Otherwise, call turn, fold river when we hit a pair seems weird...are you only drawing the A + gutter?

I still like a turn fold.

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Jacks were never anything more than a partial out.

Re: find a fold?
 

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fold preflop, fold flop

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wow I feel stupid, I didn't see this was 4-handed and not 6-handed [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'd fold the turn

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im with S_T on this hand every street

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Preflop is standard.

Turn is definitely a call guys.

Flop is closer than turn but still a call.

River is harsh, but 3-way I think I fold.

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Re: find a fold?
 

I think everything but preflop is debateable. I think a lot of times your flop call is incorrect, but w/o a read on the opponents I would peel here as well.

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I think turn is close, but a fold because we are not closing the action.

Edit,

I change my mind and believe that we have enough outs on avg to call with these pot odds.

River does seem like a tuff, but good fold.

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I think the Turn is an easy call and the Flop is often a fold for me. Im not sure if we cant donk that River.

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you played it ok for the most part, but the river is a muck. i think i call the turn in practice but generally we can discount our 7 outs to 5 or so, and theres a chance BB has a set and is gonna pound us on the turn, so with that in mind it's possible it's a fold there.

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everything up to river is pretty standard.

On the river: c/f &gt; b/f &gt; c/c

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Personally, I need AQ or better to raise this PF. If villain is typical decent player, his range UTG 4 handed is A9 up, so AJ is not good enough for a raise IMO. I would then fold to one bet on the flop with no pair no draw, especially with BB to act behind me.

However, I think it is close to a raise PF, and if so, you might as well lead out on this flop, mainly for defense. When that backfires, you are probably priced into a call, which just goes to show why it was better to just call PF... As played, I think crying calls on turn and river are probably correct (very borderline especially on river), but I hate the situation.

LESS aggression PF is the lesson here IMO.

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It's 4-handed. Please tell me you didn't notice that. Otherwise, you are very wrong.

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Otherwise, you are very wrong.

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My thinking was based on HJ raise not CO. So I do agree with raising AJ from sb. HOWEVER, I'm not so sure it's as "standard" as most others on this forum. This hand does illustrate the merits of weak-tight play, as it would allow us to get away cheaply.

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dude, this is 4HANDED! UTG's raising range should be waaay bigger if he is adjusting properly.

pf is 100%standard

interesting hand though. I probably play it like OP til the river, then c/f if I think about it long enough, or c/c if I'm playing bad.

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Would it be poor to just call PF if raise come from UTG 5 handed? I don't think so. So how bad can it be to just call from one position closer? Gets back to that concept about how creating correct odds for yourself to draw by jamming early is bad. Not saying that you shouldn't 3bet AJ in this spot, you should, but this hand highlights why its maybe closer than ya think.

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I play that hand the same in all streets, including the river call. I see that people doesn't like the river call, is that bad?

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Guys this hand really bothers me. We're calling/calling/calling with all these tainted outs and at the same time doing nothing about the 3rd player. Yet we have a majority saying this is standard with only the river being a question mark.

Other than one of three K what cards are we hoping to fall?
I would really like to see more elaboration on what's going on and why we are proceeding in this manner.