Why I Will Never play at Caesars AC again...
 

Sorry this is long, cliffnotes at bottom

So yesterday my friend and I decided to take a last minute trip to AC for a few hours of poker. I play poker about 30 hours a week, spread out between a few card rooms including underground games here in central jersey and usually at Taj or Borgata. The friend I was with yesterday has been seeing some success when he goes to Caesars because of the horrible players that are there (and im sure there are people here that can say its very true).

The day starts out like any other in one of the smaller cardrooms in AC. We walk in at 10 AM, there are only about 4 or 5 tables going and no wait. I take a look at the 2/5 game they have going, and notice out of the 8 players seated, i know 6 of them, so I dont sit at the game. I get seated very quickly at a 1/2 NL game. Sit down on the 4 seat, unrack my chips, and wait for it to be my BB. WIthin the first two hands, I watch a guy check call down 50-100$ bets and then fold on the river. There were 3 guys with over 1200 in front of them and I had a pretty good idea where all of their money came from. I was extremely excited knowing that there was an ATM sitting in the 2 seat. A few hands later the 2 seat goes bust and gets up and leaves the table.

I wasnt really getting any cards and I am down about 30 dollars when the guy that was sitting in the 2 seat comes back to the table and sits down to my left, even better [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I get AK suited in LP, limped around to me, i make it 15 to go, one person moves all in for 70, i re raise all in to isolate, seat 2 donk then proceeds to call my all in. Board is K J 8 A 4 and my two pair is good. I am now at about 670 and feeling pretty good. This is where things take a twist. There was a guy sitting to my right who was obviously a regular, he knew all of the dealers by name, and they knew him. He was extremely talkative so thank god for my Ipod. After about 2 hours, the table next to ours gets the bad beat jackpot hit, so while the whole room is now going nuts we are in the middle of a hand where 5 players get up and go look at what has happened at the other table. It was a raised pot with half of the players left to act. The dealer is waiting for the players who got up to come back and act on their hands. I asked her why she was waiting and that their hands should be dead and we can move on. Her response was, well most of the guys are regulars here and its not every day they see it. So to make a long story short, it takes us about 10 minutes to complete that one hand.

About 4 hours into the session I realize I am now in a game where 6 of the 10 players are regulars. Im not to excited about this because I notice they are all softplaying each other, checking down pots with big hands, etc etc. I decide I am going to play another round or two and then rack up and head over to the Taj. It was at this time that someone had pointed out that there was a player at our table who was missing for about an hour and a half. They bring it to the attention of the floor and the floor simply says, "oh yeah, SO AND SO is playing in the tournament right now but he will be out soon". Sooo I guess since whoever the guy was was a regular, he is allowed to play both the tournament and leave the table for two hours while there is a waiting list.

The dealers there were also the slowest dealers I have ever seen in my entire life. I thought that the dealers at the Trop were bad, but caesars makes the trop look like a golden room. I got into it with a dealer yesterday because she was talking during her entire down, half the time had no clue where the action was at. There was also another dealer who took it upon himself to wish me bad luck out loud in front of the entire table because during his down I raised pre flop 3 times and got no callers and took down 3 dollars, and didnt tip him. I consider myself one of the best tippers at a table, but I dont tip when i take just the blinds. So when I did win a decent hand, i raked in the chips someone goes oh dont forget the dealer, and he looks at me and goes, its okay he doesnt tip at all, i would rather someone else win the pots so that I can get tips. No need to say, he didnt get anything after that comment.

Anyone else have any bad moments like these there???

CLIFFNOTES

Dealers slow and talk too much
Floor lets regulars do whatever they want
Rude dealers complain about not getting tipped on 3 dollar pots

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That sounds about right from my one (and only) time there.

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You are very unfortunate that you didnt get there about 4 hours earlier. I left at about 6 AM, and I was sitting in the 2/5 game with about 3 racks and I was absolutely wasted. You would have had a lot more fun if I had still been there.

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Just to add a few and reiterate..

Dealer complains about $8 tip in big pot.
Regulars able to table change to different games when the other game has a list 20+ people long.
Never start new games in a timely matter.
Floor rulings are often ridiculous.

Best action and best comps in AC and they couldn't pay me enough to play there.

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Usually I will say something to the effect of why I wouldn't tip. Atleast give the dealer an opportunity to improve.

But a tip is optional and if your getting bad poker-service, I don't blame you.


If a dealer cost me money (rare, but has happen) I will make a 2nd stack. Every time I win a pot, I would add the dealer tip to that second stack. Until that second stack reaches the amount of money I lost .... the dealer doesn't get a tip.

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Just to add a few and reiterate..

Dealer complains about $8 tip in big pot.
Regulars able to table change to different games when the other game has a list 20+ people long.
Never start new games in a timely matter.
Floor rulings are often ridiculous.

Best action and best comps in AC and they couldn't pay me enough to play there.

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This is all very true, especially the part about the dealers. Wow they are terrible. What I do, to cut off their incessant whining and glaring about lack of tips, is I make a huge show out of being the cheapest person in the world. I give them like $1/down, rarely more, and I make sure they know thats all its going to be. I get so tired of them throwing cards at me and glaring and making snide comments. Sorry to the few good dealers who are getting screwed, your sucky coworkers ruined it for you.

I also encourage everyone else to tip generously. I get lots of comments about how small my tips are, and I let people know they are more than welcome to make up the difference.

That place makes me such a horrible person. But Jesus, the games are sooooooo good.

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Usually I will say something to the effect of why I wouldn't tip. Atleast give the dealer an opportunity to improve.

But a tip is optional and if your getting bad poker-service, I don't blame you.


If a dealer cost me money (rare, but has happen) I will make a 2nd stack. Every time I win a pot, I would add the dealer tip to that second stack. Until that second stack reaches the amount of money I lost .... the dealer doesn't get a tip.

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There is one dealer at Caesar's who, when its her down, I do this exact same thing. Except I don't count up to any number, I just make a pile of what would be her tokes if she wasn't such a miserable bitch. I'm pretty sure she knows what the stack is for.

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The dealers there were also the slowest dealers I have ever seen in my entire life. I thought that the dealers at the Trop were bad, but caesars makes the trop look like a golden room. I got into it with a dealer yesterday because she was talking during her entire down, half the time had no clue where the action was at. There was also another dealer who took it upon himself to wish me bad luck out loud in front of the entire table because during his down I raised pre flop 3 times and got no callers and took down 3 dollars, and didnt tip him. I consider myself one of the best tippers at a table, but I dont tip when i take just the blinds. So when I did win a decent hand, i raked in the chips someone goes oh dont forget the dealer, and he looks at me and goes, its okay he doesnt tip at all, i would rather someone else win the pots so that I can get tips. No need to say, he didnt get anything after that comment.


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Yup, he is cut off for the day as far as I'm concerned and I would probably never tip him again. Most people would do the same thing, the dealer shouldn't get anything on a blind steal hand and certainly not after he says something like that.

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Many of the poker dealers that play poker, play at Caesar's fyi. This usually makes up for good games. Others will elaborate.

Why does it bother you if they soft play each other, did this happen while you played a hand against them?

Some of the players actually sometimes enjoy an efficient "chatty" dealer.


The dealers there were also the slowest dealers I have ever seen in my entire life. I thought that the dealers at the Trop were bad, but caesars makes the trop look like a golden room.

There was also another dealer who took it upon himself to wish me bad luck out loud in front of the entire table because during his down I raised pre flop 3 times and got no callers and took down 3 dollars, and didnt tip him. I consider myself one of the best tippers at a table, but I dont tip when i take just the blinds. So when I did win a decent hand, i raked in the chips someone goes oh dont forget the dealer, and he looks at me and goes, its okay he doesnt tip at all, i would rather someone else win the pots so that I can get tips. No need to say, he didnt get anything after that comment.


Get his name and report him to his supervisor.

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I wrote the other day that I would not play in Caesars Ac because the dealers are slow and they talk to much. You got to find out firsthand it wasn't just me. Even at Showboat AC yesterday there was a dealer who was giving me a headache because he talked so much. Also, in the 5/10 NL game I was playing at Showboat, most of the players all knew each other and the staff, and the game played more like a 2/5 game than a 5/10 game so I left. At night I went to Borgata, and I know why I play there so often, they know how to run a good ship with very good dealers for the most part.

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.. Also, in the 5/10 NL game I was playing at Showboat.

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It really is comical how small that game plays, I would actually say it plays smaller than most Borgata 2-5s. There is not one player in that game that would be comfortable playing 5-10 at Borgata.

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.. Also, in the 5/10 NL game I was playing at Showboat.

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It really is comical how small that game plays, I would actually say it plays smaller than most Borgata 2-5s. There is not one player in that game that would be comfortable playing 5-10 at Borgata or Trop.

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Some of the players in that game play because the Showboat has a 1k max buyin.

All,

The games in the smaller AC rooms will continue to play like this.

I played 1-2 Friday from 2:00-7:00 at the Hilton and I experienced the same player behaviors.

The Hilton does not have a shuffler. The dealers do not do that bad of a job, TK runs a pretty good ship. They comp at $2 an hour for 1-2.

The Hilton poker room offers rooms to its players, so I have played there my past few sessions to get comps/hours for a room. Im not balls enough to get my own room [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

The Hilton offers a free roll tournament if a player plays 50 hours in a months.

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Standard. Caesars has terrible dealers, worse floor people (some times they have table games pit people working in the poker room, God help you if you need a ruling) and the best action in AC.

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Some of the players in that game play because the Showboat has a 1k max buyin.


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The max is $1,500 now. It's also a $4 raked game + $1 BBJ.

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Why does it bother you if they soft play each other, did this happen while you played a hand against them?

I cant quite pin point that it happened to me in a hand but im sure that it did, there were plenty of pots where i felt like i was getting the squeeze put on me, for example...There was one player who was raising EVERY draw when he was in the hand with myself or two other players, but when it was him and 2 of the "regulars", it was a guaranteed check. I also witnessed a hand where there were 2 regulars and a another guy who was just playing there. Pre flop raise from regular guy, re raise from regular 1...call from regular 2..OR folds, before cards come out its agreed to be checked down...c'mon, thats just not right...

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There is not one player in that game that would be comfortable playing 5-10 at Borgata.

[/ QUOTE ] I was talking with one player at Showboat before I left and I had mentioned that I am used to an aggressive 5/10 game at Borgata, and he said he likes to play at Showboat because he doesn't want to go against the best players. He also thought the action was good (which it is not, a typical pre-flop raise may be 25-40 instead of the 40-80 I am used to at Borgata). I will say though that the 5/10 regulars at Showboat are very nice in general.

One question, I went to Trop at 7:45 PM on Sat. night and there was not a 5-10 NL game going. Does it always go on Saturdays, and if so, when does it usually go?

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the floor has no idea how to to run the room, and the dealers are always hustling for tips. If you stiff them they will repeatedly tell you things like "nice hand!", "that was a nice pot", etc.

The worst is on the weekend when the room is packed. They will start a new 2/5 game in the back of the room and it will be play 5 and 6 handed. Meanwhile, new players take a seat in the other 8 handed 2/5 games that already have been going. I just take a seat in these games and tip the dealer so they won't tell the floor and there is never a problem.

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Couldn't agree more that Caesars in AC not only has the worst dealers but also floor mgmt. I was there about 10 months ago on my first trip to AC. I was playing the 1/2NL game for about 4 hours and in that time I, and the rest of the table, watched them show favoritism to "regulars" repeatedly. They allowed one guy to jump between my table and another game even though the 1/2NL was already shorthanded. When a someone at my table brought it up to the dealer and then the floor, he was given the excuse of "hes a regular". Many of my fellow players ended up in arguments with most of the management and they defended eachother until the end. None admitted that "hes a regular" is not an excuse for breaking the rules.
The vindication was that our table hit the bad beat for 144k which had been building for 3 months. my share was 6k, not bad for just sitting there. But as big of a deal that it was, the poker room mgmt didnt offer any comps, any congrats, and the best that they did was a [censored] table picture that no one ever received.
So as great of an experience was it was winning part of the bad beat, my final review of the room was very negative. and Caesars will be way down on my list next time i return to AC.

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When I was in AC back in april I walked into Ceasars poker room and just hated the feeling it had and it had lots of sleazy "jersey guys" in there with their cheap cologne n [censored]. So I left and went to the Taj instead and had a good time playing 5/10LHE. When I sat down I was the only one who was under the age of 60 and they kept telling me that its not a NL game because I guess every young guy plays NL.

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I was in Caesars only a couple of times, and I had an interesting episode that I never had or witnessed elsewhere. My first time playing there, some obviously drugged out scum sat on my table immediately to my right, without any chips or intention of playing, and ordered Henessy.

I took it upon myself to ask him if he was intending to play a couple of times, since everyone else except for cocktail waitress seemed to ignore him, and he blew me off every time and telling me to mind my own [censored] business. Eventually the female dealer forced him to stand up as it was the creep's turn to post the big blind, even though she looked like she would rather not confront him.

He was still standing behind me for a couple of hands with his Henessy, giving me the dirty looks every time I apprehensively turned around. Finally after I stared at him one final time he threatened me and quickly [censored] off from the room. Thankfully, the floor people and security kept their distance and let us settle the verbal spat between ourselves. In fact, they made sure not to even be seen in the vicinity out of respect for us.

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Security there is kind of a joke, too. Over Memorial Day weekend (forget which night), two guys at another table started screaming at each other.

Dealer called floor over and one of the guys, while yelling and cursing and gesturing wildly, actually struck the floor person in the face -- twice. It somehow took five full minutes for security to show up and eventually wrestle dude to the ground. Glad nobody had a gun.

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Having played 99% of my live play at Canterbury, with occasional jaunts to Vegas, I am always shocked by AC posts like this one.

A CP dealer would not survive the shift if he complained to the table about a player not tipping while in the box.

In fact, none of the crap described in the OP's post or subsequent posts would be tolerated.

Minnesota > AC

Brag over.

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FWIW, Milo, and not that this changes your general point, I've found the dealers at the Taj to be an overall better group than the ones I've had in Vegas.

-McGee

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FWIW, Milo, and not that this changes your general point, I've found the dealers at the Taj to be an overall better group than the ones I've had in Vegas.

-McGee

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I've never played at the Taj, but Vegas dealers are an uneven mix, to be sure. A reasonable portion of Vegas dealers would not make it at CP.

Sorry about the hijack.

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Bring on the electronic (Pokertek) tables. Then, all you guys can go back to venting all your vindictive hostility on you wives, girlfriends and / or "partners". Just don't punch out any homeless people.

Original poster sounds like a real LOSER, who simply has no clue about assessing the overall conditions of a card room....until it's too late --- suckers always figure out what happened to them --- two weeks later.

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Bring on the electronic (Pokertek) tables. Then, all you guys can go back to venting all your vindictive hostility on you wives, girlfriends and / or "partners". Just don't punch out any homeless people.

Original poster sounds like a real LOSER, who simply has no clue about assessing the overall conditions of a card room....until it's too late --- suckers always figure out what happened to them --- two weeks later.

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Ok, not sure what your point is here, but you can take my word for it, Caesars AC sucks giant balls in terms of just about everything, except action.