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Dont recognise the game but he bought in for 2k and has been quiet so far. Fwiw he requested time, it said he had 15 seconds to act shortly before he shoved. I had a fairly strong feeling based on timing that he thought about betting the turn.

SB: $461.00
Dean (BB): $2,070.00
UTG: $3,322.00
MP: $1,200.00
CO: $1,972.00
BTN: $1,250.00

Preflop: Dean is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $70.00</font>, BTN calls $70.00, SB folds, Dean calls $50.00

Flop: ($220) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Dean checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($220) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Dean checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($220) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Dean checks, <font color="red">CO bets $150.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Dean raises to $620.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $1,902.00</font>

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i prefer betcalling the river, far too risky getting checked around and u need someone who thinks ur capable of being fos (read: played more with you) to call ur cr with onepair/twopair, i think u get more value out of just betting in the hopes that something random calls you.

as played, puke. i really have no idea.

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seems like an easy call. checking twice w/better flush draw? esp can rule out KdXd

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lead the flop or the turn, fold the river as played

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i like your line on all streets, you can fold the river against opponent described, he will nearly always have the NF

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instacall, you think he's playing a nut or K high flush draw that slow on that board?

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can u plz elaborate why u like going for the cr more here krantz

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I'd fold as played pretty damn quickly. You think he does this with a baby flush? Doubt it very much. Or some kind of weird attempted re-bluff? Even less likely.

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instacall, you think he's playing a nut or K high flush draw that slow on that board?

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what does he put you on? it's clear you have a flush. he expects you to fold one?

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He was going for a c/c Clayton, and yeah A or K hi flush could easily play it this way. Don't know if I can fold though.

Oh you mean on the river? Gets more money in, vs. some hands that would either bet or call but never raise.

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can u plz elaborate why u like going for the cr more here krantz

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induce a bluff; if you lead out, small flushes might just call, but if you c/r a small flush most players aren't good enough to fold them

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I went for the c/r bcs I think they both have air most of the time, and that on this board the hands that call a bet will v-bet most of the time and may pay off a raise from me, and since I figure myself for the nuts, once they bet I dont really care if they fold almost always, might as well give them a chance to make a mistake.

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He was going for a c/c Clayton, and yeah A or K hi flush could easily play it this way. Don't know if I can fold though.

Oh you mean on the river? Gets more money in, vs. some hands that would either bet or call but never raise.

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Really cant see the K hi flush......

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instacall, you think he's playing a nut or K high flush draw that slow on that board?

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what does he put you on? it's clear you have a flush. he expects you to fold one?

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i dunno, w/the line villain took and dean took, it looks like villain thinks dean is full of sht a lot

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instacall, you think he's playing a nut or K high flush draw that slow on that board?

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what does he put you on? it's clear you have a flush. he expects you to fold one?

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i dunno, w/the line villain took and dean took, it looks like villain thinks dean is full of sht a lot

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villain has been quiet so far. dean isn't a gorilla bluff maniac. villain making a complex move like that is just wishful thinking so we don't have to make a tough fold.

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This is a standard fold for me preflop, but noone else seem to care, so maybe it´s good.

I think I pay off the river when there was so little postflop action, think the chance that he is doing something dumb is higher than the chance that he checked a bigger flushdraw twice. You also get about 2:1.

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This is a standard fold for me preflop, but noone else seem to care, so maybe it´s good.


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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking about betting flop and river.

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I can see A-high flush playing like this. I don't see the K-high playing like this. That leaves T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] as the highest possible that you beat. Given how he played postflop, I see him playing K-high or A-high like this more often.

I don't understand the river c/r at all.

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i feel like if the NFD doesnt bet the flop (which it usually will) it bets the turn often as well

so,
i think we can call the river and see a lower flush or rando bs plenty

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Strange call preflop.
AdTd makes sens for Villain but then a bet on the flop seems normal too. Strange line for the flop !

Looks like a fold on the river. AdXd seems very likely

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Looks good. Call.

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I call.

Something like 78dd would make sense for villain that opens alot but plays weak postflop.

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I dont care about guessing game of how he would play flop or turn with NFD. Now its pretty clear that you have flush (or maybe bluff but then he wouldnt have reason to re-raise anyway) so its look like a fold because nobody sane will try to bluff you out of a flush here.

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given the flop and turn action i think that if villain had air he would have just let it check through...

and given that hero looks like hes FOS (which i can deff see) villain would prolly just call with hand that have good showdown value like KJ and 333 (only ones i can think of)

so in order for this to be a call villain had to raise pf with something that has 0 showdown value on this board and then choose to 3bet bluff the river which i dont think happens 1/3 of the time or more

also i think i would donk this flop unless u know it smaked villains range and are going for a CR or if you know he cbets alot in multi way pots

i think that your river line has about the same EV as leading does so long as you folded to this shove

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i think his timing down either = obvious nuts or a lower flush that he has to think about whether or not 3betting is good. i think you can def call, but would fold many flushes here.

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as played: bet/call the river

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A4dd good [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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i would say if ur gonna speculate with a Q9s from the bb why on earth would u check that big of a flop?

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agree with clayton, bet/call river seems the most logical
i pay off nf

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i would say if ur gonna speculate with a Q9s from the bb why on earth would u check that big of a flop?

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To c/r? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]