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There are a lot of bands that critics and fans seem to worship, but for some reason you just never saw what all the fuss was about. These are the types of bands where people look shocked and dismayed when they hear you don't like them. Here's a couple of mine (please don't flame me if I happen to name someone's favorite, just my personal opinion):

The Doors - I found their music droning and boring
Grateful Dead - dull jam band, mystifyingly popular
Beck - if you like Beck NYC hipsters will think you're cool, but his music is crap
Arcade Fire - modern rock flavor of the week, lame
Michael Jackson - was Thriller really that great?

What are some others u have?

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I'm with you on the Doors, but the Dead? What would you consider to be an interesting jam band then?

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The Doors - I found their music droning and boring
Grateful Dead - dull jam band, mystifyingly popular
Michael Jackson - was Thriller really that great?
Beck - if you like Beck NYC hipsters will think you're cool, but his music is crap


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This is terrible IMO.

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Arcade Fire - modern rock flavor of the week, lame

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I've never heard of them, can they be that overrated?

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Arcade Fire - modern rock flavor of the week, lame

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I've never heard of them, can they be that overrated?

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Seriously?! Arcade Fire are one of the bands of the moment. I'm surprised if you really haven't even heard their name before.

OP - I thought Funeral had a few really great moments, but agree the critics have gone a little too far with their sycophancy.

And I'd like to nominate Coldplay, for the most horrible overrated band of all time. I love the Royksopp remix of Clocks, but besides that everything else is unbearable.

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Michael Jackson - was Thriller really that great?


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Yes, yes it was. I mean come on honestly how can you not love thriller? Thriller, Beat It, Billie Jean all in order, that has to be one of the best combinations of songs on any album. Part of the appeal of Thriller too is that it appeals to everyone. I don't know a single person that can't help but at least bob there head when they hear Thriller.
As for a musician I think is over-rated..I give you Kurt Cobain!

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As for a musician I think is over-rated..I give you Kurt Cobain!


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Seriously??? This guy started an entire genre (alternative rock) and jump started the whole grunge rock scene. He also was one of the hardest working musicians in the business.

Man, these are bad examples.

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I confess. I don't like discussions of overrated ________ one bit. There's no quantitative or objective means to determine how a particular _________ is currently rated or should be rated, so most discussions of how a particular _________ is overrated begin with a few people mindlessly bashing on the most popular _________ in an effort to make themselves seem more informed, hip, or fashionable than the supposed masses that are in love with that most popular __________. Next up, we get people who call the people bashing that particular _________ retards, and that that particular _________ is as good as the masses think it is. If it wasn't, why would the masses love it so much, right? Finally, we get the original bashers to come back in the thread and say that they don't necessarily think that the popular ________ that they bashed is truly terrible, just that it's overrated. And still, no one knows exactly what that means.

I'm going to leave this thread open, but I would hope that people have some more interesting commentary than the fill-in-the-blank I just posted.

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I confess. I don't like discussions of overrated ________ one bit. There's no quantitative or objective means to determine how a particular _________ is currently rated or should be rated, so most discussions of how a particular _________ is overrated begin with a few people mindlessly bashing on the most popular _________ in an effort to make themselves seem more informed, hip, or fashionable than the supposed masses that are in love with that most popular __________. Next up, we get people who call the people bashing that particular _________ retards, and that that particular _________ is as good as the masses think it is. If it wasn't, why would the masses love it so much, right? Finally, we get the original bashers to come back in the thread and say that they don't necessarily think that the popular ________ that they bashed is truly terrible, just that it's overrated. And still, no one knows exactly what that means.

I'm going to leave this thread open, but I would hope that people have some more interesting commentary than the fill-in-the-blank I just posted.

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Uhh this one is going to go nowhere. I can't seriously think of a band/musician that is overrated besides pop stars, rappers, and the occasional new flash in the pan band of the hour.

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Michael Jackson - was Thriller really that great?


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Yes, yes it was. I mean come on honestly how can you not love thriller? Thriller, Beat It, Billie Jean all in order, that has to be one of the best combinations of songs on any album. Part of the appeal of Thriller too is that it appeals to everyone. I don't know a single person that can't help but at least bob there head when they hear Thriller.
As for a musician I think is over-rated..I give you Kurt Cobain!

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I kept on thinking this was going to segue into one of Dave Chapelle's bits on Jackson, and was disappointed it didn't. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

"He wrote Thriller, man ... Thriller!"

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lol at michael jackson being overrated, what a joke

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lol at michael jackson being overrated, what a joke

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Michael Jackson blows. There, I said it.

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It used to be that Michael Jackson was kids music - then he was exposed as a pedophile. That he is rated at all goes to show how many people equate sales with quality.

I nominate Metallica as overrated.. Basically a pop band who get held up as some sort of heavy rock demi-gods.

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The Beatles

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i also think the doors are wayyyyyy underated. i feel they re a much better band then say the Who who imo are way overated. if keith moon wasnt in the Who i think they would have nowhere near the notoriety they have.

arcade fire: funeral was really good album and they did it brilliant live. i listened to a friends copy of neon bible and wasnt overy impressed. saw them do it live at a festival the other day and it was kinda boring.

i think dylan was overrated but not by that much. well maybe not overated but he just got more recognition then other solo artists of a similiar niche. tom waits instantly springs to mind. waits is far superior to dylan imo

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50 Cent

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i also think the doors are wayyyyyy underated. i feel they re a much better band then say the Who who imo are way overated. if keith moon wasnt in the Who i think they would have nowhere near the notoriety they have.

arcade fire: funeral was really good album and they did it brilliant live. i listened to a friends copy of neon bible and wasnt overy impressed. saw them do it live at a festival the other day and it was kinda boring.

i think dylan was overrated but not by that much. well maybe not overated but he just got more recognition then other solo artists of a similiar niche. tom waits instantly springs to mind. waits is far superior to dylan imo

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Hmmm. I actually think the Doors are highly overrated. As musicians they really don't do much for me. And classifying Morrison as a 'poet' is being pretty liberal with the use of the word if you ask me.
The Who, on the other hand, rocked. Certainly competent as musicians and their songs kicked major ass.

But I really disagree with your comments on Dylan. He got that recognition because of his lyrical genius (which is not a word to be bandied about, but in this case I really think it applies). Waits is great too - but nowhere near the same level lyrically as Dylan.

re: The Dead. I can't see how anyone would think they are overrated. We're talking about a band that, despite only having one top ten single (and not until 1989 at that) we able to be among the top grossing acts every single year they toured. As musicians, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better, more talented group that ever played together. From Jerry's guitar skills (and what made Jerry so great was his subtle style. He was an incredibly talented guitarist that never felt the need to hit fans over the head with it) to Lesh on bass and the two drummers - just amazing all around. I've heard them referred to as having 'musical symbiosis' and I think that sums it up pretty well. Not to mention that, unlike bands like Aerosmith, the Stones, etc - the Dead never played the same setlist twice. Thousands of live shows, the bulk of them improvised, and really feeding off their fans. They did it for the love of music (but I'm sure the money didn't hurt either). Even during years where they played 100+ shows, Jerry still toured with his solo act or the JGB. I know that a lot of people don't like their music, or just dismiss them as a dirty hippy jamband - but they were so much more and I don't see it possible to overlook their talent. Also, being at a Dead show was unrivaled in terms of overall experience. Truly a sense of community.

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The Doors - great band, top 10 all time
Grateful Dead - great band, top 10 all time
Beck - top 10 90's no doubt about it
Arcade Fire - just a name
Michael Jackson - was Thriller really that great? YES it IS, a Quincy Jones production, and a genius performing great vocals. Off the wall is also great



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A friend gave me a copy of Morrison's poetry book 'The Lords and New Creatures' years ago because I was a fan. Pure crap. Self-indulgent tripe. I still enjoyed the music but any teen worship I had of the Morrison mystique went out the window fast.

I was never a Michael Jackson fan but hey, he was the King of Pop. Rated about where he belongs imo.

Bob Dylan overrated? Possibly he is dated now but the impact he had on American music will probably never be fully realized.

Beatles lol. Level.

I never could stand the Dead but understood why they had the fan base they did. I think their place in the rock pantheon is unique and hard to judge. I will admit that when I heard Jerry Garcia had died my first thought was what all the poor Deadheads were going to do. Luckily Phish came along and threw them a rope.



I always thought Phil Collins was overrated but always wrote it off as 'no accounting for taste' and he doesn't fit mine. I'll take Peter Gabriel as far as former Genesis people goes.

Rod Stewart.

REO Speedwagon. I guess that sounds funny now but one would have to be old enough to remember how much the shiznit they were when 'High Infidelity' was on the charts. Gawd they sucked.

Def Leppard.

Motley Crue for the win. Most overrated rock band ever.

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i also think the doors are wayyyyyy underated. i feel they re a much better band then say the Who who imo are way overated. if keith moon wasnt in the Who i think they would have nowhere near the notoriety they have.

arcade fire: funeral was really good album and they did it brilliant live. i listened to a friends copy of neon bible and wasnt overy impressed. saw them do it live at a festival the other day and it was kinda boring.

i think dylan was overrated but not by that much. well maybe not overated but he just got more recognition then other solo artists of a similiar niche. tom waits instantly springs to mind. waits is far superior to dylan imo

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As to the Who, they invented the rock opera, and the impact of "My Generation" was so huge that even decades after the song, mainstream press like Time magazine gloated over one of their periodic retirements. Townsend was also voted best rock guitarist and in the running for best rock guitarist year after year. They definitely had a major impact.

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They also got invited to Woodstock, thus confirming that the Doors were already considered overrated in '69.

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Alot of what you posted I disagree with, The Doors and Michael Jackson back in the day ruled.

As for my nominee,

The Dave Matthews Band

HORRIBLE music, all sounds the f'ing same, yet during my college days they were a big "hit" band. Gag me.

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I agree both on the Doors not deserving all the hate and on The Dave Matthews Band being decidedly uninteresting.

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I nominate Metallica as overrated.. Basically a pop band who get held up as some sort of heavy rock demi-gods.

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Metallica may be overrated (especially today). But they are far from a "pop" band. They were one of the original names in thrash metal and, even today, are a very heavy band. Nothing "pop" about them.

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im not saying that dylan is not a lyrical genius but i think on a whole tom waits back catalogue vs his= tom waits is better. dylan had some great records some mediocre records and some crappy ones. i also dont think he is dated either, im 19 and have been listening to dylan for years and still get good things from his music

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only 50 cents 1st album was good, rest were bad and his newest 1 is truly pathetic. som1 as hard as he is has justi timberlake and robin thicke on his album, i remember he bashed ja rule for doing something similiar years ago.

his 2 new release songs for his new cd have gotten trashed by every1 even the ppl who only listen to mainstream

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And I'd like to nominate Coldplay, for the most horrible overrated band of all time. I love the Royksopp remix of Clocks, but besides that everything else is unbearable.

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Plus Radiohead.

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i think dylan was overrated but not by that much.

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Jimi Hendrix considered Dylan his biggest influence and one of the greatest songwriters of all time. That's good enough for me.

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I nominate Metallica as overrated.. Basically a pop band who get held up as some sort of heavy rock demi-gods.

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LOL

Metallica a pop band?

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It has been said that ANYBODY can sing a Dylan song better than Dylan. Genius songwriter, yes, but possibly one of the worst singers ever to become a major musician.

But no, he's not overrated.

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50 Cent or anyone else who calls rap music

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FYP AND QFT

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50 Cent is as pop as Justin Timberlake, except he doesn't try to be black.

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Michael Jackson - was Thriller really that great?

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I nominate Coldplay

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I confess. I don't like discussions of overrated ________ one bit. There's no quantitative or objective means to determine how a particular _________ is currently rated or should be rated, so most discussions of how a particular _________ is overrated begin with a few people mindlessly bashing on the most popular _________ in an effort to make themselves seem more informed, hip, or fashionable than the supposed masses that are in love with that most popular __________. Next up, we get people who call the people bashing that particular _________ retards, and that that particular _________ is as good as the masses think it is. If it wasn't, why would the masses love it so much, right? Finally, we get the original bashers to come back in the thread and say that they don't necessarily think that the popular ________ that they bashed is truly terrible, just that it's overrated. And still, no one knows exactly what that means.

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Okay... I see where you're coming from, but am inclined to disagree. Sure, different artists and songs mean different things to different people, but I am inclined to argue that some music is straight-up better than others. Example: Billy Joel - Piano Man >>>> Too Short - Blow Job Betty. I can't provide a quantitative analysis as to why, but isn't it sort of an a priori truth?

Not overrated:

-The Grateful dead (incidentally my favorite band ever). The tunes are catchy and the lyrics are fairly deep and thoughtful. QFT to whoever said that seeing this band live was unparalleled (I didn't, but have heard).

-The Doors, for much the same reasoning. A glass of electric kool-aid would probably help all the haters see the light w.r.t. these two bands.

-The Beatles is obvious attempt at levelling (I hope).

-Nirvana is not overrated... I'll easily vouch for the likes of "Smells Like Teen Spirit," "Polly," "Lake of Fire," and "Come As You Are." Like someone else said, they also helped define a genre. Cobain was ahead of his time.

Overrated:

-Nickelback. All their songs sound the exact same. I have a mild obsession with "How You Remind Me," but it's kind of like a car accident I can't help but stick my head out and observe.

-Dave Matthews Band. As somebody said, decidedly uninteresting... I could never figure out why this one was so popular among the college crowd.

-50 cent et al. I would venture to say that anybody who enjoys listening to this sort of music on a regular basis outside of a club-type setting has absolutely no value of artistic talent or integrity.

-Coldplay. "omg, I'm soooo depressed, I'm going to lock myself in my room and listen to Coldplay all day long." Am I off on this one?

My two cents.

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The entire genre of Blues.

I think it if funny that so many people defend the blues, saying that they are the most talented people to ever play a guitar. I always ask two questions: "have you ever listened to three consecutive blues albums in a row?" and "can you name me ten blues artists." Oh, and seeing that they are losing their argument because they don't know what they are talking about, they continue on and say that Rock and Roll would not exist. Look at Eric Clapton (not knowing that "Tears in Heaven" is classically based, and he also has a book on classical out.), Jimmy Hendrix (yes, he loved the blues, but his style was highly influenced by gypsie music, if they can't see the connection, and country, which is not blues), and Jimmy Page (he discovered blues later in life).

Yes, there is not doubt that there is some influence in blues, and yes, some good music, but the genre in itself is repetitive and boring at worst, and great for live performance at best, with it's improvisation and all.

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Grateful Dead - dull jam band, mystifyingly popular



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Their early stuff was deadly dull to me, but their later stuff was sometimes really good. I can see thinking one way or another of them depending on what stuff you listened/when in their career you started listening.

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-Dave Matthews Band. As somebody said, decidedly uninteresting...

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Only 1 thing I'm gonna say to defend this band. I can see how you think 'uninteresting' but are you only basing that on what they've released to mainstream radio?

Ovb, I don't agree with this statement but I also have the knowledge of listening to every single one of their songs they've ever produced.

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The entire genre of Blues.

I think it if funny that so many people defend the blues, saying that they are the most talented people to ever play a guitar. I always ask two questions: "have you ever listened to three consecutive blues albums in a row?" and "can you name me ten blues artists." Oh, and seeing that they are losing their argument because they don't know what they are talking about, they continue on and say that Rock and Roll would not exist. Look at Eric Clapton (not knowing that "Tears in Heaven" is classically based, and he also has a book on classical out.), Jimmy Hendrix (yes, he loved the blues, but his style was highly influenced by gypsie music, if they can't see the connection, and country, which is not blues), and Jimmy Page (he discovered blues later in life).

Yes, there is not doubt that there is some influence in blues, and yes, some good music, but the genre in itself is repetitive and boring at worst, and great for live performance at best, with it's improvisation and all.

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It is hilarious that you try use Clapton to make your point.

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The entire genre of Blues.

I think it if funny that so many people defend the blues, saying that they are the most talented people to ever play a guitar. I always ask two questions: "have you ever listened to three consecutive blues albums in a row?" and "can you name me ten blues artists." Oh, and seeing that they are losing their argument because they don't know what they are talking about, they continue on and say that Rock and Roll would not exist. Look at Eric Clapton (not knowing that "Tears in Heaven" is classically based, and he also has a book on classical out.), Jimmy Hendrix (yes, he loved the blues, but his style was highly influenced by gypsie music, if they can't see the connection, and country, which is not blues), and Jimmy Page (he discovered blues later in life).

Yes, there is not doubt that there is some influence in blues, and yes, some good music, but the genre in itself is repetitive and boring at worst, and great for live performance at best, with it's improvisation and all.

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It is hilarious that you try use Clapton to make your point.

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Yeah, the blues is all about improvisation, and live performances.

What was the over-rated part?

Clapton, BB King, Freddie King, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Hendrix, Buddy Guy, Robert Randolph, Muddy Waters, George Thorogood, Robert Johnson, Albert King, Gary Moore, Robert Cray, Derek Trucks

I think that was at least 10.

Err, and maybe you havn't heard Clapton when he was with the Bluesbreakers or Cream...Or his latest tour of Robert Johnson material. Tears in Heaven is not actually his only song.

Anywhooooo, point proven, case over.