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it seems like that alot of people that used to be good at starcraft are doing well in poker - Rekrul, Elky, fisheye(not sure if his doing well). anyone else that used to play starcraft r doing well in the poker world now?

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tillerman?

although im not even sure he plays poker anymore

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starcraft?

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i was b6 high in wgtour WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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holy crap..when i wake up..I still go and play starcraft to help wake my mind up...i play a game like everyday lol go see starcraft2.com or look it up on youtube for gameplay vids...

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Razsi.

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I lived with my roommate out in Vegas for a year before finding out we knew eachother from a game called utopia like 5 years prior. Also quite a few Red Alert players in the poker scene. I was top ranked in both those at some point. Computer games/magic not that hard of a transition to poker.

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So ElkY is really the good ol' starcraft ElkY?
Thats cool to know. I used to watch plenty of replays of ElkY many years ago when I played SC.

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I lived with my roommate out in Vegas for a year before finding out we knew eachother from a game called utopia like 5 years prior. Also quite a few Red Alert players in the poker scene. I was top ranked in both those at some point. Computer games/magic not that hard of a transition to poker.

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There are a quite a few Utopia players playing poker now. One of them won an EPT event but his name eludes me atm...

edit: in Utopia he went by Quzzo

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nazgul18, empire2000 and peachykeen both played sc
i guess ozzy did too though he wasnt really adept
a ton of people really im too tired to name them all off though

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we can make a 2p2 clan! LOL

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I used to play starcraft and other realtime strategy games ... also first person shooters, simulators, MMORPGs and nearly all other types of games out there. I also used to play a lot of strategy board games.

Actually I am an ambitioned video game player since about 1983 or 1984. I am not excellent at any of the games ... but my skill is normally above average in most of them. (to be top in a video game you need like 6h minimum training per day and the reflexes of a 20 year old ... experience compensates to a certain extend but meanwhile I am too old for any successful hard core gaming action)

Concerning poker: I still kinda suck (making too many bad decisions) ... playing in my spare time for about 6 months now (5K hands / month) ... making small profits at micro stakes (currently NL20 / NL25 depending on site) ... but there hopefully is potential for improvement down the road [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I believe that fisheye owns pokerstrategy.de

Nazgul also went from SC to poker. And grrr... The guy who won the PCA in 2007 was an SC player. There're lots of midstakes guys too, like me.

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I believe that fisheye owns pokerstrategy.de

Nazgul also went from SC to poker. And grrr... The guy who won the PCA in 2007 was an SC player. There're lots of midstakes guys too, like me.

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No, Korn (he was a sc/bw player in pG also) owns pokerstrategy.de

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ugh yeah i forgot daut and thegrrrr

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wut limits does grrrr play?

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Slayer aka Kirderf

and as a previous poster said Tillerman.. what happend to him? did he change nick or busto?

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http://www.tillerman.net/2005_08_01_archive.html

If you scroll a bit down there Tillerman made a big list of well known sc players that plays poker

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Quzzo is Mats Iremark

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Raszi was the first one i thought of idd ... and of course elky. Most RTS gamers idd... guess people that played FPS games only have an edge in not making misclicks [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

btw, i also read some stuff last year about a former SK orga loosing pretty much everything he had on poker then killing himself [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] guess our gamerly addictive personalities were safer off in gaming ... if u sucked at gaming u just sucked, if u suck at poker u'll become poor ^^

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Saft

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Games like StarCraft/Quake attract competitive gamers, people who always want to be the best.
StarCraft, and good RTSes in general, also reward strategic thinking about your goals and your opponent's.

I don't think StarCraft skills translate into Poker skills (except meta-skills like multitasking or something), but I do think they both attract a certain type of person.

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One of my ultimate fantasies would be for there to be an organized starcraft tournament with a payout like a poker tournament.

one can only dream.

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Games like StarCraft/Quake attract competitive gamers, people who always want to be the best.
StarCraft, and good RTSes in general, also reward strategic thinking about your goals and your opponent's.

I don't think StarCraft skills translate into Poker skills (except meta-skills like multitasking or something), but I do think they both attract a certain type of person.

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The most important skill you can learn from playing games is how to learn. Knowing how to accept responsibility for your losses, knowing how to study players who are better than you, and knowing how to honestly appraise your game are very important. There aren't really that many activities that you can pick these skills up, but SC is one of them.

I don't even know if you can say poker is one of them: A deep and almost intuitive understanding of variance is neccessary to start picking up those other skills in poker, and normally it takes so long to develop it that you're already broke, or you just aren't learning very well.

I reckon that people who win at poker mostly learnt how to learn somewhere else first (e.g, tennis, rugby, to use two well known examples).

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One of my ultimate fantasies would be for there to be an organized starcraft tournament with a payout like a poker tournament.

one can only dream.

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About five years ago I wrote some automatic bracket generation software and a lot of the backend for a system like this. The problem is that it's against the EULA of the games. I knew this pretty early in and just kept on writing it so that I could learn php/mysql...

Talk to people like Nazgul or ElkY, they play fairly highstakes SC games...

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Alot of ex-competitive gamers, are in general really successfull with poker. Counter-Strike (probably the minority), Starcraft, Warcraft, Quake and Painkiller, has had huge growth over the years, and all the higher skilled people i've met while playing, pretty much all have jumped over to poker. It's cause of the competitive spirits. Kind of the same reasons why scandinavians in general do good in the online world overall [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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One of my ultimate fantasies would be for there to be an organized starcraft tournament with a payout like a poker tournament.

one can only dream.

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This exists in Korea. Also, if you are extremely good, you can get a 100k+ yearly salary, just for playing starcraft. I believe NaDa has an 200k salary or so.

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Maybe I spent more time than the average kid on the lake and in the woods growing up, but I don't even know what starcraft is.

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fisheye plays 10/20 nl on party and for someone whos only played nl for a few months hes raping

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I think tillerman is pretty successful poker player from reading his blog in the past

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Think the real question should be...Who didn't play Starcraft?

Fail to see any connection.

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I played sc then Unreal Tournament, now I play Counter Strike source, and I think all have some commonalities with poker,

SC your put in different positions on the map and the variences in resources and terrain cause you to make strategic changes, Unreal tournament has to do with over all speed and making insanely quick decisions while still changing your play based on the opponents and the situation.

Counterstrike puts all these together, different maps different players, sometimes your hanging with leet boys and have to play tight aggressive, you have to play slow and cut out the rambo, other times your with a bunch of nooberts and you can rush around (play a lot of hands) and any situation your in your going to make the best decision and finish with the better of it.

Many people on cs:s play online poker throughout the day then play cs after to relax, I run into a lot of $100-400 max players, it's fun to talk about different poker sites and books we've read.

I think playing risk or yahtzee will help with decision making in poker to some extent, even minuet every little bit helps.

Stab u later,

Juicin

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I don't know much about Starcraft and poker besides Elky, but 3 of my former CAL (competitive counter-strike) teammates are now big poker players. Although playing video games probably help decision-making/multitabling abilities it's my opinion that the competitive and fun aspects of poker are what draws similar types of players more than the shared skillsets. Anyone agree with this?

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i guess they all play poker now since koreans dominate starcarft

not being racist, just a fact

if you like starcraft, check out http://www.youtube.com/user/KlazartSC for some of the proleague/starleague matches with english commentary dubbed over, great stuff

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Not surprising.. poker's a game. It attracts lots of strategy gamers. I think that's the bigger correlation. If you have a good mind for strategy and analysis, you'll do well at poker.

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or maybe they play starcraft because they make a lot more? without having to be top10 in the world

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http://sven.com/joke_parents.gif

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I used to play...but I was equivalent to like an NL 1 penny 2 penny player, LOL

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I don't think StarCraft skills translate into Poker skills (except meta-skills like multitasking or something), but I do think they both attract a certain type of person.

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agreed.

its the competetive nature and the urge to become better that makes good poker players. single player games dont have these aspects and thats the main difference between single player (console) gamers and multiplayer (computer) gamers.

single player games are played mostly for fun and are about beating the artificial intelligent and abusing glitches in the game. we all know people who like playing games like GTA, just running around and shooting people up pointlessly.

multiplayer games are on a different level because youre battling against another human being. theres no saving/loading in these games, you either win or lose - and as we all know overcoming losses and keeping your head together is what separates elite players in all games/sports from the others.

players who arent good enough and dont have the mindset to compete choose the easier "fun" games. this is also why people choose different "competetive" games.

for example; the skill difference in quake is absolute, the worse player will get dominated by a better player in an even situation 100% of the time, where in counter-strike the skill factor is toned down with limitations in physics (movement & weapons) and a huge luck factor based on timing, back frags, uneven situations with weapons/health, headshots and recoil in general.

this is the exact reason why poker and counter-strike are popular. in both games you can have short term winnings even if youre not as skilled as your opponent. in poker you can play against the odds and suck out, in counter-strike you can recoil a lucky headshot or have a lucky timing to shoot your opponent in the back.