Am I being rigged by Full Tilt Poker or is this normal variance?
 

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I was winning, $7800 at highest point. Then crash to $2000 in 5 days.

Before people accuse me of being a donkey, here are some of the worst hands that cost most of the money

Me : A8...make AA888 by river. There is a a flush on the board, I am sure I have the winner.
Villain : AAA88. Yes, he had AA and made a bigger full house
Pot : $2400

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The villain bets the flop. I called. Villain checks turn. I bet/he calls. Villain checks river. By this point I have made two pair 9s and 8s. I bet. Villain calls with bigger two pair. Pot : $352

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I have a gut shot straight, need a 6. Small bet on the turn from villain, I call as it's cheap and may be a pop at the pot with nothing. Turn a blank, another small bet from villain. I call. River a 6. I've made a straight! Great. Villain bets $100 into pot, I re-raise him all in.....he flips over a full boat (he needed the 6 to make a boat).

Pot : $479

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I have a straight draw, straight flush draw and flush draw on 4th street. I move the short stack all in. He flips top pair and weak kicker. I miss my draw totally.

Pot $654

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These are just some examples of what's going on, there's more but I don't want to bore you.

My 1st question is this : am I being rigged by Full Tilt???!!

My 2nd question : should I withdraw my $2000 (all profit, I withdrew my initial $1300 stake previously) and go and try to find a cash game? My problem is the nearest big cash game is 270 miles away.

My 3rd question : If I am being rigged, should I withdraw the $2K and neteller it to Pokerstars?

My objective of playing cash game is to generate $25K. That is $5K bankroll and $20K for my 2008 WSOP Main event ticket + expenses.

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you are being rigged.

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2nd

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rigged obv

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You aren't being rigged in any way or fashion.

Take a look at the breakeven graph thread going on and you'll feel much better about this whole ordeal.

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bankroll mgmt maybe? oops what i mean is why arent you sitting with your whole roll at one table?

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Nvm forgot this was BBV.

Howard Lederer is personally pulling your doomswitch.

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Being rigged is you by Full Tilt. Ask money back you should.

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You aren't being rigged in any way or fashion.

Take a look at the breakeven graph thread going on and you'll feel much better about this whole ordeal.

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I'd like to believe this as it's the only cash game I can play conveniently.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

There are a couple 50k+ breakeven stretches in there by very good players.

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bankroll mgmt maybe? oops what i mean is why arent you sitting with your whole roll at one table?

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I play 5/10. You can only sit in with $1K. So I leave the rest for 'top ups'.

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These are some horrible hands man. I'm sorry but I can't believe they would ALL happen to the same person. The action in those hands of course does not matter. We are talking about a one in a trillion shot here. The only rational explanation is that FTP is somehow rigging the action against you. Cashout immediately and deposit to a better site.
GL in the future

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I opened this thread hoping that it would be someone who actually thinks that it's rigged, and not someone joking around. thread delivers.

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These are some horrible hands man. I'm sorry but I can't believe they would ALL happen to the same person. The action in those hands of course does not matter. We are talking about a one in a trillion shot here. The only rational explanation is that FTP is somehow rigging the action against you. Cashout immediately and deposit to a better site.
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I really don't know what to do here....but I am tempted to cash my $2K profit and run to the nearest live game.

The problem (and the reason I started online cash game) is because where I live (Scotland) there are no big cash games. Here a big cash game is $60 buy in and it starts about midnight in the poker clubs.

I've played in Amsterdam Holland Casino 2/5 euro, Bellagio and the Crown Casino in Melbourne Oz....I do fine live...either break even, win or lose everything on AA lol. But no stupid mistakes. I pride myself on making good decisions and this downswing makes me doubt my own abilities.

I came 2nd in our home game last night so it's not all bad. I've also cashed at 46% of live tournaments for 2007.

My goal is to get a WSOP ticket and a $5K bankroll to play with. I entered a WSOP $20K live event satelite but it was cancelled. Typical crappy Scottish poker setup. Here a single $500 WSOP sat buy in is like a years worth of buy ins for the donks and they all run for the hills.

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I have a gut shot straight, need a 6. Small bet on the turn from villain, I call as it's cheap and may be a pop at the pot with nothing. Turn a blank, another small bet from villain. I call. River a 6. I've made a straight! Great. Villain bets $100 into pot, I re-raise him all in.....he flips over a full boat (he needed the 6 to make a boat).

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Yeah, Full Tilt rigs big draws vs. big hands all the time. That was a gutshot on a paired board, right?

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I have a gut shot straight, need a 6. Small bet on the turn from villain, I call as it's cheap and may be a pop at the pot with nothing. Turn a blank, another small bet from villain. I call. River a 6. I've made a straight! Great. Villain bets $100 into pot, I re-raise him all in.....he flips over a full boat (he needed the 6 to make a boat).

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Yeah, Full Tilt rigs big draws vs. big hands all the time. That was a gutshot on a paired board, right?

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Villain had 56. He had trip 5s before I hit my straight. When the 6 came, it gave him a full boat but it also gave me the straight. I put him on an overpair or trips but not the boat. I mean, he could have had 45?!?! Or A5. He was also a donkey so that could mean K5 too.

I am bemused by the whole FT thing....I see players like BlueOceans winning $5K in one session or $5K over the weekend. Cheeeaat took 3.5K the other day (he also made that AAA88 to take $1200 out of my stack). These guys are regulars...do they lose?

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serious answer because I feel sorry for you: from the way you talk about those hands, you are a losing player and bad at poker. cash out, learn the game and reread these posts in six months.

bbv answer: lol cashaments

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serious answer because I feel sorry for you: from the way you talk about those hands, you are a losing player and bad at poker. cash out, learn the game and reread these posts in six months.

bbv answer: lol cashaments

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I have analysed the hand history and it would be difficult to get away from these hands if I played them again.

As Doyle Brunson says : 'You can't worry about the having the absolute nuts all the time'.

I *never* get all my money in unless I'm fairly sure I'm going to win and try to control the pots to keep it small, even if I think I'm in front (just in case I go behind).

There is no problem when I hit a good hand getting the other player to put the maximum money in. When I think I might be beat, even a small possibility, I usually slow it down.

I've done fine in live cash games and have a good live tournament record for 2007. I've yet to be caught on a bluff in a live cash game, a fairly impressive record lol.

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I take it back, ftp is rigged

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I have a gut shot straight, need a 6. Small bet on the turn from villain, I call as it's cheap and may be a pop at the pot with nothing. Turn a blank, another small bet from villain. I call. River a 6. I've made a straight! Great. Villain bets $100 into pot, I re-raise him all in.....he flips over a full boat (he needed the 6 to make a boat).

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Yeah, Full Tilt rigs big draws vs. big hands all the time. That was a gutshot on a paired board, right?

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Villain had 56. He had trip 5s before I hit my straight.

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So from this I infer that, yes, you were drawing at a gutshot on a paired board?

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Yes, I guess you could say I was being risky drawing to what might not be the nuts.

The board was

5s 4c 3s

Villain bets $10. That isn't going to put me off at the 5/10. If he had trips already (e.g.444 or 333 or 555) he would probably want to bet more to stop someone drawing to a straight. If he had a full boat already (which he didn't), he'd just slow play and trap. Weird. I call.

Turn : 5

Villain has now made trips.

Villain checks. At this point we know the villain has made trip 5s. In this position, I would ALWAYS bet. I would not want to give a free card to straight. But the villain does exactly this - he gives me a free card to a straight.

I check (of course, I need a free card to make my straight)

River : 6

I make the straight, 7 high. I don't just have the straight, I have the higher-ish end of the straight. If he holds A2, trips, two pair or overpair he's a dead duck.

Let's also look at the player I'm up against - he's a donkey making incorrect pot sized bets. Donkeys enevitably go too far with hands that start good and get worse. They are always calling with trips and a flush on the board etc.

Villain bets $100. I don't believe he has the nuts and move him in for his remaining $175.

Villain calls and flips 56 to show full house - 55566.

The reason I say rigged, is because the 6 gave me the straight but it gave him a full boat. That's two ideal hands for major fireworks.

If I was up against a tough player, who would obviously bet correctly, I'd probably apply the brakes when the 5 hit the board and check out. But because I was up against a donkey, I kept going. Maybe this was my mistake...trying to outdraw a donk!

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I've yet to be caught on a bluff in a live cash game, a fairly impressive record lol.


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I've yet to be caught on a bluff in a live cash game, a fairly impressive record lol.


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Lol, I don't play live cash games that often, so it's a bit of a distorted statistic. But I time it just right and work it correctly with my table image. When I'm getting cold carded and folding a lot, it's usually time for a well timed bluff if everyone shows weakness.

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so u had 8k and lost 1200 in one pot? great news

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My stack was $7800. Pots run up to $3K typically, but yup, I got all my money ($1200) in on a full house with a flush on the board to be beaten by a bigger full house. This is just fairly typical of what was happening at FT

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you are playing over your BR, probably have alot of leaks, you will definitely be busto soon unless you move down, rigged or not. (its not rigged btw)

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I play the 5/10. That's where I started with an initial $1200 deposit (which I withdrew). In effect I turned $1200 into $10K in 30 days. Then it crashed.

So you are suggesting (a) it's not rigged. (but everyone on this thread seems to think so.

And (b) I should move down...to the 2/4 or the 3/6?

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I have it on good and known authority that, not only are you being rigged, but that your every move is being watched, recorded, pored over to be scrutinized again and again in some dim future. Run NOW. GET OUT, <NOW>. Withdraw all moneys and stockpile rations, batteries, and bottled water. Dark forces are surely conspiring against you. There is not much time left.

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Well, I'm still playing, but 'perching' more and tightening up considerably my starting hands, folding the small blind and the button more and not playing funky hands. I don't like doing this, as I become predictable in what starting cards I use, but hey, the s/ware is against me. I am -$200 more today as well....I am just slowly seeing a few hands to see if I do get any upswing or I'm 100% rigged.

I am very close to withdrawing - you think I should put it into Pokerstars?

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Let's also look at the player I'm up against - he's a donkey making incorrect pot sized bets. Donkeys enevitably go too far with hands that start good and get worse. They are always calling with trips and a flush on the board etc.


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I think your problem is more likely to be that your reading skills were somewhat distorted by your perception that this guy is a bad player. It is very likely that you turned this into a personal thing, and hence didn't want to believe you were beat, and have insisted on declaring FT as rigged rather than sacrifice your ego and think about it.
Honestly though, would you expect this to never happen?

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No the donkey was acting like a bit of a donkey. He sat in with the wrong sized stack and placed wrong sized bets previously. He was not showing he was a skilled player.

But yes, I underestimated his drawing abilities.

I let a few winners go, it's part of being a good player and not a calling station.

I haven't declared FT rigged, I am asking the question on this thread. I would prefer if FT wasn't rigged as it suits me for playing convenience.

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I am very close to withdrawing - you think I should put it into Pokerstars?

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LOL, as if pokerstars wasn't rigged!

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Good point, but I haven't played at pokerstars, they maybe let me win up to 10K again?

-$400 today and I've been soooo careful, no bluffing and the nuts only.

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Ok, a small update...called PF with 66 for $35, hit a 6 on the flop (10/7/6). Initial caller raises. I figure big pair for sure, I re-raise and he raises all in. I call.

He has QQ. It's a 2K pot.

No Queens appear, I take the pot.

+$600 over yesterday but still -$5200 from my high point.

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http://www.savagechickens.com/images/chickenhateyou.jpg

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br management.

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On a FTP limit table last night I was dealt QQ 4 times in a row. The last hand I was up agaisnt KK and AA. Then later I had a flopped FH crushed by 4 of a kind on the river 3 hands later. Variance? Or call Mulder?

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br management.

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That could be something to think about. I have various targets to withdraw some funds.

In any case I've got $2600 in profit in 6 weeks. I'm now applying the brakes and going to sit back and think about what to do next.

Otherwise any other ideas on BR management?

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I am very close to withdrawing - you think I should put it into Pokerstars?

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You should definitely put it into Party Poker. There are far more fish at Party Poker - I play there and win. It will be way easier than Stars or Full Tilt, and not rigged like some of the others.

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ill be honest, with this being bbv im finding it hard to know whether or not this is serious. I normally just stay out of these quasi sarcastic threads for fear of looking like a spaztard but mate, is this really for real? How long have you been playing the game? it seems as though you havent really got a grasp yet of the variance involved and Im just kinda worried that your a bit in over your head. Theres plenty of threads about proper bankroll management, but suffice it to say you need to be able to loose a fair few buy ins without worrying or altering your correct and optimum style of play, cos [censored] does happen. A lot.

I just feel if youd been playing long enough to be playing this high youd know all this already, hence im thinking about not clicking continue for fear of looking a tit. Alas my good natured side just cant let you loose all your $$.