bobby baldwin pulls rank
 

Bobby Baldwin was playing in the big game tonight at Bellagio. They were playing Omaha, his opponent bet the river and BB folded. His opponnent showed three cards, and BB asked the dealer to show him the fourth card. The other guy said, I didn't show you four cards, I showed you three. BB said he didn't care, and that he wanted to see the fourth card anyway. While this rule of "show one show both" (or in this case, "show three, show four") has been recently implemented in tournaments, I have never heard of someone in a cash game trying to pull this. Also,the Bellagio has no official rulebook for the cardroom, specifically so they can bend the rules for high-stakes players.

My husband, who deals in the Bellagio poker room, told me this story. BTW, the dealer showed the fourth card. Maybe this is a good reason to go back to having the big game at the Nugget, where they used to play when BB sat in.

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MUCKEMSAYUHHHHHH

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If it went down exactly like you said, muck the hand, but I highly doubt it did go down like that.

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MUCKEMSAYUHHHHHH

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tell Bobby that Stephen is your favorite of all his brothers

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Pwn.

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muck hand = lose job?

pretty sure a dealer would be more concerned with keeping a lucrative dealing job at the bellagio and not pissing off bossman than some unwritten rule

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You left out the important detail of whether the guy's hand touched the muck or not.

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How has show one show all morphed into meaning the cards so often? It refers to showing one or all players.

Muck that [censored].

But only after pointing out his brother Alec sucks.

edit: or show the fourth card- I really don't care since the dealer's job may or may not hang in the balance. But definitely tell him Alec sucks.

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this poll sucks because calling the floor and mucking the card should both occur

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this poll sucks because calling the floor and mucking the card should both occur

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I semi-agree-- if I was dealing i would call the floor before either mucking the card or turning it over. I belive that deciding on your own to turn over/not turn over the 4th card is a decision that a dealer cannot make on their own, and I would do whatever the floor says. But if I was BB I would rather have the dealer use the protocol and call the floor than have him give me preferential treatment.

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right like any dealer is gonna say no to the CEO of the property and the guy who the room is named after.

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Hello, it's called "Bobby's Room" for a reason. As told in the OP hand should be mucked since TDA rules don't apply. That said, if Bobby told me to show it, I'd show it. Simple.

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lol, if I'm the dealer then of course I do what Baldwin tells me to do.

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If they change the name from Bobby's Room to Chaucerchick's room, then you get to decide.

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lol i cant wait till im rolled for the big game

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MUCKEMSAYUHHHHHH

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yea I think the player can show any cards he wants to show. it's all part of metagame obv.

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lol i cant wait till im rolled for the big game

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Nor can we

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How has show one show all morphed into meaning the cards so often? It refers to showing one or all players.

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Incorrect. There are actually two different TDA rules.

1. Show one (player), show all (players).
2. Show one (card), show both/all (cards).

Not in operation at all tournaments, but its purpose is to prevent a player from merely showing a needle card. Whether it's a good rule or not is highly debatable.

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"Bobby's Room = Bobby's Rules"

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There are actually two different TDA rules.

1. Show one (player), show all (players).
2. Show one (card), show both/all (cards).


[/ QUOTE ]I forget, what does the "T" in TDA stand for? Is it cash games? TDA rules are irrelevant. If the other player doesn't like the rules in Bobby's Room he can play somewhere else.

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"Bobby's Room = Bobby's Rules"

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lol i cant wait till im rolled for the big game

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don't quit your dayjob

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If they change the name from Bobby's Room to Chaucerchick's room, then you get to decide.

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best JH post i've ever read.

and wtf is with calling the floor option? wouldn't that be like calling a lieutenant to make a ruling over general or president or something?

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show one show all cards is a rule to prevent taunting of the other players, bobby was right.

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Them's the rules - nothing to see here.

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Pretty sure the gaming commission outranks Bobby.

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show one show all cards is a rule to prevent taunting of the other players, bobby was right.

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TAUNTING IS [censored] FINE THOUGH HELLO THIS IS POKERS NOT SEWING. also tda doesn't apply obv.

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Pretty lame by BB.

Oh and I can't wait 'til Grimmstarr is "rolled" for this game, and someone invents Poker Tracker and automatic hand history storing for live play.

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It's Bobby Baldwin's home game, his rules

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I have played at the Bellagio off and on since it opened. In my recollection, if a player exposes one hole card, the opponent can always ask to see the whole hand, in cash games.

I do not think bobby was trying to "pull" one, the shower lacked class and was properly called out on it.

Anyway, what is the big deal .... exposing one card is a bush move anyway. I always ask for the whole hand if someone pulls that stupid move. I do not recall ever being told by the dealer or house that I cannot see the rest of the hand in such circumstances.

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The show-one-show-all rule is routinely brought up at the casino I play at (HG, CA). I'm not sure if it applies at Commerce or not, can't remember from experience.

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TAUNTING IS [censored] FINE THOUGH HELLO THIS IS POKERS NOT SEWING.

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Taunting is so [censored] lame unless you know the person or are under some agreement that it won't carry on to violence.

I was playing just yesterday at HG and some drunk white dude who had obv. lost a lot of money that night (and was probably by disposition, a mean drunk) was getting into some verbal argument with an Asian guy who barely spoke English. Totally abusing him verbally.

They went back and forth but I could tell there was obviously going to be no physical altercation (maybe the Asian dude might flip) just because the guy was being whiny and kinda pussy. I was in the 8 seat, and they were in the 9 and 7 seats.

There was a 300+ lb black dude in the 2 seat and a gangster-looking Mexican kid in the 3 seat who both were saying, "Can't we just play cards, relax, etc." The dealer did a poor job of not calling over the floorman sooner, letting the argument fester.

Maybe a couple hours later they clacked fists and claimed they were cool (the white guy even jokingly said that he still hated him). Still, the display was sickening.

People have a lot of animosity, and possibly anxiety, when they show up to the cardrooms; as a result, a lot of the players can't handle themselves emotionally and end up whining, cussing, or storming off like children.

To be honest, I acted kind of douchey in this manner when I first started playing, b/c I hadn't yet realized how much variance, cruel beats, etc. there is in the game (getting sucked out on by players making huge errors is something everyone has to just deal with). You have to realize that you can't win every session and brutal suckouts are the norm.

After a while though, not being able to handle yourself, whether its taunting or crying like a bitch, is just a mark of lameness and is one of the main reasons I hate going to casinos. That and the degenerates and weird forms of life. Also the hypocrisy and irrationiality that comes out of peoples mouths at the table. However, the foods great and most of the players suck.


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"Bobby, the proper thing for me to do would be to call the floor and ask them for a ruling, but since you're the Boss and can drop me on the spot, I'll ask you. What are you telling me to do?"

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I've never heard of having to show both cards if you only show one card in a cash game. People show one card all the time, and I've never seen anyone demand to see the other card. It's never happened. Not anywhere I've played anyway.

The facts of this story might not be completely correct.

If it were me, I would have told Baldwin to shove it. Just becasue the room's got your name on it doesn't mean it's YOUR room. Who the hell do you think you are? Some kind of bigshot?

Well, maybe I wouldn't have said that. I probably would have said, "Yes sir, Mr. Baldwin. Here is my other card. I'm sorry to have offended you, sir. May I have a cookie?"

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Pretty sure you do not have a clue about Nevada gaming, or the role of the Gaming Control Board.

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How has show one show all morphed into meaning the cards so often? It refers to showing one or all players.

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Incorrect. There are actually two different TDA rules.

1. Show one (player), show all (players).
2. Show one (card), show both/all (cards).

Not in operation at all tournaments, but its purpose is to prevent a player from merely showing a needle card. Whether it's a good rule or not is highly debatable.

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Rule 2 has been reversed again at this year's WSOP. You don't have to show both if you show one.

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I forget, what does the "T" in TDA stand for? Is it cash games? TDA rules are irrelevant.

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Of course you are correct, but wouldn't it be easier if there was one universal set of rules used by all cardrooms for both tournaments and cash games?

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I hate the show both cards rule. You can want to show someone something as a nice gesture, I had the ace, etc...to let the player and table know it was a good fold, and you weren't bluffing, but having to show your entire hand, now you really can't do that if you don't wan't the whole table to have complete information. I think many more times the flash one is used for this than to "needle" somebody. I don't think it is the TD's job to remove needling from poker either. I think many people go to far, but there is now discretion for this in the rules. If someone is so far gone in needling then they should be called for an abusive language penalty, but this rule limits the good intentions of players as well as negative intentions. And if you can get someone to think they folded improperly just by showing them a card, how is that outrageous conduct in poker? I hope this rule dies a fast, painful death.