i fold a set. flame on.
 

2/4
villain is efrayzor, eff stacks are 100bb
table is pretty soft, thats why the pf happened... i play that differently in different spots

dude limps, villain raises OTB, i call in SB w/ 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], BB calls, limper folds

flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, BB checks, PFr checks

turn is 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
i pot it, BB folds, PFR calls

river is 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I pot it, PFR shoves

pot was about 90 on the river, after my 90 bet, its about 250 to me.

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Its fine i guess, i would never bluffraise in his spot, checking the flop and all. Is this dude really tricky? River action needs to be fixed also (bb folds then shoves).

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Looks good.

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he has a flushhhhh

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seems standard

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ya fold

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im surprised this was so easy

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Do you mean you usually fold preflop here ?

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i honestly cant put him on a hand you beat. i really like this fold, but i have no idea how the vill plays either

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fold is prob standard, calling is ok too i think pf

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and its not reasonable to check this river right?

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I don't see how bet/fold is better than c/c here.

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check riv = bad

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bet 2/3 pot fold to shove

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Bet/fold also seems bad unless villain is never bluffing here



edit or overplaying A8 and A3

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hard to see many hands he would be bluffing with here besides 56

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Pretty obvious he's on a complete bluff or has the flush.

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I was at the table, and that guy was in no way gonna pull a move there...you said something in the chat too about it being a sick fold, but you're hardly, hardly ever getting pushed on by worse, for value or as a bluff

I'm saying this, and I NEVER fold...anything...ever

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hard to see many hands he would be bluffing with here besides 56

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A weaker aces pp's, it's hard for hero to call here with less than a set. But if you are folding sets routinely here then pushing most rivers vs hero becomes an awesome strategy any time a visible draw hits

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c/f is better than c/c but nobody ever wants to fold here thats why I said bet 2/3 fold to push.

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standard fold.

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But I don't know villain if he never bluffs the river then bet/fold is good. No way it's my standard here though

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A weaker aces pp's, it's hard for hero to call here with less than a set. But if you are folding sets routinely here then pushing most rivers vs hero becomes an awesome strategy any time a visible draw hits

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It's too bad hero wouldn't be able to adjust. Sucks he has to keep folding sets on the river to the same villain over and over.

Also, it's amazing that even though hero is folding the river villain knows he has a set. That is some serious ownage.

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ego- you b/c?

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Also, it's amazing that even though hero is folding the river villain knows he has a set. That is some serious ownage.

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I said with "less" than a set. I in no way indicated villain is some how mysteriously placing your holding on exactly a set. If you consider your opponent estimating your folding/calling range "amazing" then either this is some huge donk you're playing vs or you need to consider what villain is thinking more closely. There are other reasons people raise rivers aside from "zomg value".


But, you guys seem to have awesome reads on villains river bluffing frequency which I do not have, so bet/fold if you think that is best. Maybe it is, I've been wrong before.

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Ya I understand what you're saying and I used to think like that. I'd be like wow if this guy knew I was folding this I would be so exploiatable but the thing that protects you is every other calling station that plays mid stakes. Hardly anybody would fold the river enough for villain to consistently makes this play.

So unless villain had a sick read, I think OP can safely fold here until villain starts doing this a lot in similar spots.

Basically, what I'm saying is it's better to error on the side of folding and adjust rather than the other way around.

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Villains line up until the river is also consistent with KK/QQ/JJ/TT along with the other holdings I previously mentioned It's not just flush draws.

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What hands is he bluffing here? Hardly anyone at this level is good/ballsy enouh to turn a weak Ace or mid pp into a bluff here imo.

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looks good

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You don't beat anything and villain hardly ever bluffs air here.The only draw he might call the turn with got there.Good fold.