TT early in UB 200k
 

UTG (obeidman) raises to 70 (pot) at 10/20, unk flats from MP, i flat from the cutoff, blinds fold.

Flop JJ2 with a draw, checks to me, i bet 160 into 240, UTG folds, MP calls.

Turn 6o, he checks, I bet 350 into 450, he calls after some thought.

River 3o he checks I shove for 1600 into 1200. He covers by a smidge.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

Is unk like a known player or something?

I like a bigger bet on the turn to make this shove good. As played, I like 800 on the river.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

I would guess a bet of more 500-700 & be folding to a push. Lower pr`s will call this & the J will get the money in & ur still alive ! ( obv` against an unknown )

Thats the way i like to play but, many would be getting it in on T`s, ... MTTs are not my game but the less times ur all in the better imo

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

I don't like the shove because I don't think you're getting called here often, and based on the way the hand played out you're definitely way ahead of him. I'd much prefer a bet of about 550 to try and maximize you're value vs. 77/88.. chances are he just had a flush draw and is going away anyways though

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

Are you trying to get AA/KK/QQ to fold?

They almost never do.

I think you have way too much showdown value to shove the river.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

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Are you trying to get AA/KK/QQ to fold?

They almost never do.

I think you have way too much showdown value to shove the river.

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I agree... I think you check behind on river, unless of course you don't value playing this tourney.

BeL0W

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

Below and Luke - I'm pretty sure this is a value shove

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

Goggles,

Oh this is definitely for value and to get it out of precisely sevens, eights, or nines. I don't think we get looked up by them facing a shove.

To be honest I'm scared of J9s, J10s or QJ here, who is playing tight and scared early in fear of a boat or KJ/AJ.

I think the river push might be too thin, I highly doubt we get called by worse...but I have to admit I don't know villain too much so it's not horrific.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

Yea I think its a value shove as well.

I don't recognize villian but I'm pretty sure I only like 2 bets going in here. My default would be check turn and VTown river but I think I like turn better. On the river bet looks more like value and more likely to fire a second bullet on the turn.

Gators,

I wouldn't worry all that much about dude having a bigger jack.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

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Below and Luke - I'm pretty sure this is a value shove

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Ok I still check. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

I do like the rest of the hand though. I just think you're NEVER getting called by worse by a river shove. If you were deeper I think a bet would be nice but I just highly doubt he'll call 99/88/77 enough for this to be profitable.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

No one reraises PF? I would do like 230 or so. Don't really want blinds calling?

I doubt you're ever getting called on the river. I like the 800 bet Noah says. Turn bet seems fine to me.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

I don't think it's a "value" shove because I really don't think you're going to get called by worse hands here very often... Like I said earlier if you bet like 550 or something smaller you will get called by 77-99 but if you shove I highly doubt those hands will call. Checking behind like goggles and bel0w pointed out is fine as well because you will get to see his hand for info purposes and the pot is still a good size

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

its value, not a bluff, cmon now.

the river is a bit thin tho, i rly think that 450 or something is probably better.

Re: TT early in UB 200k
 

he has JJ-AA way more then 77-99 this is not a valueshove. Also include the chanes he folds 77-99 is way higher then him folding QQ-AA