All-NOT-All-Star team
 

three rules :

- take anyone who is not selected to the all-star game, either all AL or all NL

- come up with a complete lineup and bullpen. bench if you like.

- the team must be competitive with the actual All-Star team (edit: OK, just make it VERY competitive but not necessarily with the all-stars)

here are the lineups (ie players you cannot use)

AL
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Starters

Pos Player B/T
C Ivan Rodriguez, DET R/R
1B David Ortiz, BOS L/L
2B Placido Polanco, DET R/R
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY R/R
SS Derek Jeter, NYY R/R
OF Vladimir Guerrero, LAA R/R
OF Magglio Ordonez, DET R/R
OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA L/R
Pitchers

Pos Player B/T
P Josh Beckett, BOS R/R
P Dan Haren, OAK R/R
P Bobby Jenks, CWS R/R
P John Lackey, LAA R/R
P Gil Meche, KC R/R
P Jonathan Papelbon, BOS R/R
P J.J. Putz, SEA R/R
P Francisco Rodriguez, LAA R/R
P C.C. Sabathia, CLE L/L
P Johan Santana, MIN L/L
P Justin Verlander, DET R/R
Reserves

Pos Player B/T
C Victor Martinez, CLE S/R
C Jorge Posada, NYY S/R
1B Justin Morneau, MIN L/R
2B Brian Roberts, BAL S/R
SS Carlos Guillen, DET S/R
SS Michael Young, TEX R/R
3B Mike Lowell, BOS R/R
OF Carl Crawford, TB L/L
OF Torii Hunter, MIN R/R
OF Manny Ramirez, BOS R/R
OF Alex Rios, TOR R/R
OF Grady Sizemore, CLE L/L
Final Man

Pos Player B/T
P Hideki Okajima, BOS # L/L


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and NL
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Starters

Pos Player B/T
C Russell Martin, LAD R/R
1B Prince Fielder, MIL L/R
2B Chase Utley, PHI L/R
3B David Wright, NYM R/R
SS Jose Reyes, NYM S/R
OF Carlos Beltran, NYM S/R
OF Barry Bonds, SF L/L
OF Ken Griffey Jr, CIN L/L
Pitchers

Pos Player B/T
P Francisco Cordero, MIL R/R
P Brian Fuentes, COL º L/L
P Cole Hamels, PHI L/L
P Trevor Hoffman, SD R/R
P Roy Oswalt, HOU ª R/R
P Jake Peavy, SD R/R
P Brad Penny, LAD R/R
P Takashi Saito, LAD R/R
P Ben Sheets, MIL R/R
P John Smoltz, ATL º R/R
P Jose Valverde, ARI R/R
P Billy Wagner, NYM L/L
P Brandon Webb, ARI ª R/R
Reserves

Pos Player B/T
C Brian McCann, ATL L/R
1B Derrek Lee, CHC R/R
1B Albert Pujols, STL R/R
1B Dmitri Young, WSH S/R
2B Orlando Hudson, ARI S/R
2B Freddy Sanchez, PIT R/R
SS J.J. Hardy, MIL R/R
3B Miguel Cabrera, FLA R/R
OF Matt Holliday, COL R/R
OF Carlos Lee, HOU R/R
OF Aaron Rowand, PHI R/R
OF Alfonso Soriano, CHC R/R

Final Man

Pos Player B/T
P Chris Young, SD # R/R


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i will post mine in a few minutes

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It's impossible to create a team that's competitive with the first team All-Star. The second team would be decimated. It would be a good team, but not in comparison to the first team.

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AL

C Kohjima
1B Youkilis
2B Cano
3B Figgins
SS O. Cabrera
OF Sheffield (whatever, i am putting him in RF)
OF Abreu
OF Granderson

Pitchers
SP Wang
SP Bedard
SP Hernandez (scratched: Halladay)
SP Blanton (scratched: Escobar)
SP Matsuzaka
RP Nathan
RP Street
RP Gagne
CL Rivera

i find that OF is the thinnest position, because the all-star takes like 7-8 or them, but it's pretty doable to get decent pitching.

(edit: because I don't catch too many non AL-east games, i had to change a few pitchers after some thought)

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It's impossible to create a team that's competitive with the first team All-Star. The second team would be decimated. It would be a good team, but not in comparison to the first team.

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why? second team are pretty much all-stars past or future.

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3B Figgins


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lol

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off the top of my head

NL
Ryan Howard
Adam Dunn
John Maine

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NL:
C: Estrada?
1B: Howard
2b: Kelly Johnson
3B: Aramis
SS: Hanley Ramirez
OF: Dunn, Chris Duncan, Jason Bay

P:Maine, Zambrano, Snell, Gorzelanny, Hudson, Harang, R Soriano, Linebrink, Isringhausen.

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AL:
C Mauer
1B Youkilis
2B Pedroia
3B Inge
SS Cabrera
CF Granderson
LF Matsui
RF Teahen
SP Bedard!
RP NESHEK

C Bengie Molina
1B Gonzalez
2B Johnson (Uggla too)
3B Ramirez
SS Ramirez (and JRoll)
LF Willingham
CF Pence
RF Francoeur
SP Snell, Maine, Gorzelanny
RP Kevin Cameron

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@SL__72

Wrong Molina my man.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albu...ES/HO06006.jpg

EDIT to add: Bay and Howard are no brainers for the NL IMO.

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@SL__72

Wrong Molina my man.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albu...ES/HO06006.jpg

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The St. Louis Cardinals play in the National League.

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@SL__72

Wrong Molina my man.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albu...ES/HO06006.jpg

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The St. Louis Cardinals play in the National League.

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Last time I checked so do the Giants.

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Bays numbers are way down this year. He's a very good player but his OPS is down almost 160 from last year. Batting average is donw 30 points, obp down 60 points. I haven't watched much Pirates baseball but he needs to really work the second half.

Meanwhile Howard's OPS is down around 150, BA down 60 but his OPS is still almost 200 points higher than Bay with more RBS and less SOs.

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NL:
C: Estrada?
1B: Howard
2b: Kelly Johnson
3B: Aramis
SS: Hanley Ramirez
OF: Dunn, Chris Duncan, Jason Bay

P:Maine, Zambrano, Snell, Gorzelanny, Hudson, Harang, R Soriano, Linebrink, Isringhausen.

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I'm interested that you think Chris Duncan. I follow the Cards, and while I think that Duncan is already well above average overall and can potentially become an all star, I don't see him being this good (up there with the current all stars) yet. For one thing his fielding, while improving, still has a ways to go. But I'm not flaming you -- I'd like to see why you (or anyone else) thinks this.

Oh, and Izzy all the way! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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NL:
C: Estrada?
1B: Howard
2b: Kelly Johnson
3B: Aramis
SS: Hanley Ramirez
OF: Dunn, Chris Duncan, Jason Bay

P:Maine, Zambrano, Snell, Gorzelanny, Hudson, Harang, R Soriano, Linebrink, Isringhausen.

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I'm interested that you think Chris Duncan. I follow the Cards, and while I think that Duncan is already well above average overall and can potentially become an all star, I don't see him being this good (up there with the current all stars) yet. For one thing his fielding, while improving, still has a ways to go. But I'm not flaming you -- I'd like to see why you (or anyone else) thinks this.

Oh, and Izzy all the way! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Just took a quick glance at EQA for the season so far, and he was up there.

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Bengie: .281 .302 .421
Yadier: .268 .326 .325

His 24 points of obp aren't quite enough to make up the near 100 point deficit in slugging percentage. Also, Bengie has a history of being a decent hitter, Yadier doesn't.

Also, RE: bay + howard

Bay hasn't hit well this year which is particularly frustrating since hes on my fantasy team.

Howard is certainly a much better hitter then Gonzalez but I left him off since he missed like 15 games, has struggled (for him) a bit at the plate and is a lot worse in the field.

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Bengie: .281 .302 .421
Yadier: .268 .326 .325

His 24 points of obp aren't quite enough to make up the near 100 point deficit in slugging percentage. Also, Bengie has a history of being a decent hitter, Yadier doesn't.

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I actually agree with all this 100%, but Yadi should still be ahead of Bengie, and IMO it's not close. Do you see why? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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NL:
C: Bengie Molina (lol @ Yadier)
1B: Ryan Howard
2B: Brandon Phillips (maybe Uggla)
3B: Aramis Ramirez
SS: Jimmy Rollins
OF: Adam Dunn
OF: Eric Byrnes
OF: Jeff Francoeur (maybe Hunter Pence)

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heres my list

NL

C:Johnny Estrada/Bengie Molina
1b: Ryan Howard (I guess? over d lee anyways)
2b: Dan Uggla/Brandon Phillips
SS: Hanley Rameriez (he really got robbed) as did renteria
3b: Aramis Rameriez/Chipper Jones
OF: Eric Brynes
OF: Brad Hawpe/Hunter Pence
OF: Adam Dunn

Pitchers:
John Maine
Roy Oswalt
Chad Cordero
Jason Isringhausen
Tim Hudson
Brandon Webb



AL
C: Joe Mauer ?- the only catcher i culd see him going instead of is pudge but then again pudge was voted a starter
1b: Kevin Youkalis/Mark Texierera
2b: BJ Upton
SS: Orlando Cabrera (how did michael young get in over him?)
3b: Casey Blake or Adrian Beltre though neither deserve it
OF: Gary Sheffield
OF: Curtis Granderson
OF: Michael Cuddyer

Pitchers
Kelvim Escobar
Dice K
Jeremy Guthrie
James Shields
Chad Gaudin
Erick Bedard
Pat Neshek
Roy Holladay

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Oswalt and Webb are both on the all-star team already.

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AL:
C Mauer
1B Youkilis
2B Pedroia
3B Inge
SS Cabrera
CF Granderson
LF Matsui
RF Teahen
SP Bedard!
RP NESHEK

C Bengie Molina
1B Gonzalez
2B Johnson (Uggla too)
3B Ramirez
SS Ramirez (and JRoll)
LF Willingham
CF Pence
RF Francoeur
SP Snell, Maine, Gorzelanny
RP Kevin Cameron

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I think these lineups are horrible for players not on the all-star teams. I could take a few minutes to make some changes, but I don't have a few minutes.

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AL
C Mauer
1B Teixeira
2B Pedoria
SS Peralta
3B Youkilis (Cheating some)
OF Sheffield (Cheating some more)
OF Granderson
OF Swisher

Gaudin
Blanton
Buehrle
Bedard
Wang
Nathan
Gagne

NL
C Estrada
1B Howard
2B Uggla
SS Ramierez
3B Jones
OF Dunn
OF Hawpe
OF Willingham


Maine
Snell
Lowe
Hudson
Francis
Harang
Izzy
Wagner

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Bengie: .281 .302 .421
Yadier: .268 .326 .325

His 24 points of obp aren't quite enough to make up the near 100 point deficit in slugging percentage. Also, Bengie has a history of being a decent hitter, Yadier doesn't.

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I actually agree with all this 100%, but Yadi should still be ahead of Bengie, and IMO it's not close. Do you see why? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Yadi's speed puts him over the top here.

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For the AL you need this guy in your BP

36 games, 39.2 IP, 23 H, 3 BB, 5 runs, 1.13 ERA, 36 SO.