common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I'm interested to see what you guys plan is when you hold a hand like QJs/QTs in the BB vs an EP raiser and multiple callers. Assuming you call in the BB, do you:

1) lead when you flop TP, and call down if EP raises?

2) C/R EP and bet the whole way?

3) B/C if EP raises and donk all non A/K turns?

4) Check the flop and see what others do if EP bets?

Lately i've been doing a lot of option #3, but im not sure if thats the best play. Whats the most EV, do ya think in the long run?

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

c/r and donk any non A/K turns if you get raised here fold.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

It all depends on what your table looks like, but if I'm playing this "blind," I would check/call the flop. Then lead out if the turn blanks.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I think that this depend on exactly how many people are in, the likelyhood of the raiser to make a c-bet with unimproved AK/AQ, how coordinated the board is, and whether or not I have a backdoor flush draw.

Usually, I check, but usually I am playing against opponents who I know well enough to interpret their actions so that I can fold at some point in this hand if I am screwed. One line that I may follow with a smaller field is check/call the flop and turn and donk the river, especially if the board makes it hard for my opponent to raise on the river.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

Live 20 hand the other day, similar thing.

Bunch of people limp, I complete QT, BB raises

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BB bets, someone raises, I check 3bet.
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Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I mix it up with these hands. I don't think I play them the same all the time. Lately I have to say that I have been leading out a bit more than C/Ring in these spots. Depends on any draws-redraws I have also. Last night I tried leading out and C/Ring with a few similar hands. People at 4/8 tables freak when you C/R them a you all know. They always think you have a monster hand.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

What am I missing? The pot is large, our hand is strong yet vulnerable, the likely bettor/raiser is to our left, the field is large...um...lead and get the pfr to cut down on the field's odds.

Then play poker on the turn and river.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

Although if PFR raises again it makes our hand significantly less strong.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

EP raiser may not be aggressive enough to raise with two overcards. The flop texture also makes a difference on how you play this and how likely EP is to raise.

Example, you hold Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in one of the blinds and call EP's raise, and there are 3 coldcallers. I'm not saying these are correct, my thinking may be rusty:

1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Dry flop. Check/call (or checkraise if pfr bets and all fold) and lead turn.

2) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Top pair on monotone board. Bet and hope pfr raises. Though his range may include overpairs, there is a good chance he has two overs + FD and you increase your chance of winning if he raises.

3) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Top pair plus flush draw - checkraise to build the pot

4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Check and see OR bet and hope pfr raises? With your bet, you can rep a flush draw and pfr may raise with ATs, JJ, AK, etc. Checking may allow you to get in a checkraise, but the most common draws on this board are right to call the c/r.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

I don't get why you are check/calling ex 1. on flop explain plz. 2 and 3 seems alright, on ex 4. I like betting fairly vulnerable hands here that are most likely best.

Re: common spot: TPGK OOP multiway vs PFR
 

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I don't get why you are check/calling ex 1. on flop explain plz.

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it depends on how likely pfr is to bet/raise here [with overcards], as well as the aggressiveness of late position players. We get an opportunity to checkraise if late position player bets this harmless flop. Betting right out could earn some money from lower pairs and AK, and there are not many draws getting the right price to call 11:1. So yeah I guess I like the bet, but some discussion on other types of flops?