TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

Original raiser that doesn't matter is 16/14, villain in sb is something like 80/30 over 13 hands and I've played 0/0 in those same 13 hands at this table.

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BB ($40)
UTG ($36.40)
MP ($109.80)
CO ($133.25)
Hero ($49.25)
SB ($58.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $10, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($36.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $46.6 (All-In)</font>, MP folds, Hero lols.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

no heart no call

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

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no heart no call

[/ QUOTE ]does this change if we flop an ace instead of king?

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

no because if a heart comes you're done. besides, an overbet like this represents better than top pair most of the time.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

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no because if a heart comes you're done. besides, an overbet like this represents better than top pair most of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]it's not an overbet to me, pot is $36.50, I have $37.25.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

call. that is not a bad flop. many PPs didn't get there and i doubt he open pushes the flop with a made flush. we're worried about AA, but there's only 3 ways he can have it (and 1 way to have KK). you can't leave that much money on the table with TPTK, especially with MP out of the picture.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

you have 13 hands on him, he is basically unknown to you - while maybe being a little loose. His 4bet preflop should narrow his range quite a bit, however. QQ-AA imo. If he shoves here with QQ, there's still a chance he's got a heart. This is not the greatest spot to get your money in.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

Anyone can do the odds on how we are against QQ with a heart? This seems like the most likely hand.
I guess losingdonkey is making that point that if we make his range of hands fairly tight, AA, AK, KK, and QQ, then the other three have us crushed, as another AK combination is likely to be on a freeroll.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

QQ with a heart is ~43% to win the pot. Against a range of QQ+ and AK (unlikely but possible) you have ~45% equity.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.710% 28.52% 17.19% 4518 2722.50 { AsKd }
Hand 1: 54.290% 37.10% 17.19% 5877 2722.50 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

I think we're behind his range here, but we are getting around 2:1 so we only need ~33% to call. 80/30 strongly points towards him being a donk, stats that bad are pretty damning even if it is only 12 hands. Therefore I'd call and gambool.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

Villain in SB is playing a ton, and Min-3B.. therefore, fish. Fishes like the Min-3B AA, so you're probably against AA here. Maybe w/ a Heart.
But, QQ w/ a heart is likely as well. The min 3b just alsways seems to be AA.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

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The min 3b just alsways seems to be AA.

[/ QUOTE ]He had black 9s [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

push or fold preflop is the correct play if your planning on folding if you flop TPTK....i think moving in here is better than folding or calling based on his stats. it is most likely a race or you have him crushed, so don't just take a flop and get scared by 3 hearts or a big bet.

Re: TPTK in 4-bet pot
 

I think I call considering he is such a big donk and I strongly consider pushing pf.
I can see his range being a whole lot wider then AA-QQ