do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #2827684357: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (21306267), Table 48 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:35:53 ET - 2007/07/02
Seat 1: hubig (17,608)

Seat 3:hero (3,895)
Seat 4: VargheseCorp (6,733)
Seat 5: NFLJUNKY (4,395)
Seat 6: swifterjets (10,955)
Seat 7: Chinook42 (8,779)
Seat 8: nhungoc2 (8,955)
Seat 9: alea_iacta_est (9,640)

nhungoc2 posts the small blind of 150
alea_iacta_est posts the big blind of 300

The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Qs Kh]
hubig raises to 600
johnnypoker69 folds


hero calls 600
VargheseCorp raises to 6,708, and is all in
all fold to raiser
hubig folds

hero calls 3,270, and is all in

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Shove or fold preflop.

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Fold PF.

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Info on minraiser?

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Fold > Shove >>>> Call of his initial raise, the 2nd decision is probably a narrow call but you should never have to make a 2nd decision here.

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

As said, fold P/F. You don't have enough chips to call a raise, unless you want to get cute with AA. There is an argument to be made for R/R AI, but I don't like it - you have no FE to speak of, and you are behind any A or any pair. As played, call the A/I I guess - there is a bunch of dead money in the pot, and, if you are lucky, he has TT or JJ.

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

i called and i won. he had ak. the reason i had flat called was i was too big to just open shove and a mini raise is usually weak. if you read sklansky's forum he says to speculate w a marginal hand when u have that awkward stack bc if u miss the flop then u can just shove next quality hand you pick up. most 2 plus 2 ppl don't like this strategy but i am trying it and i agree with him. the pot odds i thought were just good enough to call his reraise.

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

He's raised to 600, you have 3800, thats almost the perfect stack to shove over, I don't think it's awkward at all, it's a very normal push/fold decision

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There is an argument to be made for R/R AI, but I don't like it - you have no FE to speak of

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You gain some protection from the big stack still having to act after open raising (mini) utg…


OP
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if you read sklansky's forum he says to speculate w a marginal hand when u have that awkward stack bc if u miss the flop then u can just shove next quality hand you pick up.

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If you’re going to call a raise for all of your chips then I don’t think the above applies. Do you?

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

i fold this pre sometimes, shove sometimes, depends on how frequent the guy has been open minraising

after the guy overshoves though its a fold, i mean.. that is why you flat called pre right? so you could fold?

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Fold preflop. Shove only if UTG raiser was opening a lot of pots.

Calling the min raise is a huge mistake. You are not deep enough to make this a profitable call.

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Fold pre-flop. You're not so desperate that you have to play such a weak hand against a raise. After the shove you still fold and the pot-odds are not that great. The pots laying you around 1.6 to 1. Even if he's shoving (77+,AT+,KQ) you have 36% equity (1.8 to 1). Unless you are VERY sure he's pulling a squeeze here i would say his range is much tighter than that. Easy fold. Congrats on the suck-out.

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after the guy overshoves though its a fold, i mean.. that is why you flat called pre right? so you could fold?

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i called to give myself an out postflop or pre if hell broke out behind me
yeah it was a poor play on my part. when he shoved i felt he may be stealing and he wasn't necessarily super strong so i thought the pot odds somewhere between 1.5 and 2 to 1 were good enough to call. but thats why i made the post to see how you guys think through a hand. i do ok in tournaments but i think i do some unorthodox stuff sometimes

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

I fold to the reraise. UTG showed strength and KQ sucks even with wide ranges.

I also don't like the call of UTGs original raise. While you have position on the raiser, you open yourself up for a squeeze (which of course happened).

Either shove or fold there. KQ is hard to play postflop.

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if you read sklansky's forum he says to speculate w a marginal hand when u have that awkward stack bc if u miss the flop then u can just shove next quality hand you pick up.

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I don't agree with the "if you miss" idea because it seems spewy, but at least you have plan for the hand. The problem with this plan is that even when you hit your hand is susceptible to being dominated. I'd be more apt to try this with 89s instead.

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The BB is only at 300... why waste your tourney life on KQo? (I wouldn't even call if they were suited) You could be up against AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ which you don't want to go up against...

Pick another fight when you have an edge...

Re: do i cal this reraise all in w kq?
 

Fold PF. Min-raises stink of big hands from weak players. Oh, and the all-in re-raise too. You're dominated almost everytime here.