KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

Okay, I have a feeling that I played this all wrong, but I have no idea how I should have played it. Your insight is greatly appreciated.

I'm in MP2. Button is tight-aggressive. SB is loose-passive (a total loony, really. On several occasions, s/he has limp-raised with offsuit rags. Almost never raises, but frequently limp-reraises for some reason).

I'm dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. All folds in front of me. I raise. Button reraises. SB calls. I call.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

All checks.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks. I have so many outs, so I bet. Button raises. SB reraises. I cap. All calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I hit my gutshot straight. It's checked to me. I bet. Button raises. SB reraises. I call. Button calls.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

why bet turn? hope for the free card.
turn cap is awful, you have king high.
river someone has a boat, probably flopped...i think you can betfold. you shouldn't have even got this far tho.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

So, if you're on a draw, do you always want the free card (if you can get one)? Or are there situations where betting is appropriate?

And if the button had bet behind me, would you have called the turn? What if the button bet and SB raised?

Thanks in advance! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

awful.

a flush draw is not a made hand, esp on the turn. capping is a pointless spew of chips.

and the board is paired, so you could be drawing dead already.

and fold the damn river...you're crushed. its obvious you have a straight and SB doesnt care anyway.

sorry you lost to TT

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

$20 says OP didn't lose to TT.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

well whatever it was, sb owned the [censored] out of everyone. i vote for 77 i think.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

or maybe 99 or tt.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

Button won, actually. SB had 75 offsuit (as I said before, SB is a total loony and that's the only explanation I can come up with for why s/he would call three bets preflop).

Button was the one with pocket Ts. Not sure why button pulled back at the end and didn't cap. Afraid of pocket 7s...?

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

Really strangely played by all players, I guess. Thanks for help, by the way. Perhaps someday I'll figure this poker thing out...

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check the turn, for God's sake. Capping on a paired board is suicidal.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

PF Good

Flop Fine, you have to wonder why the PF 3 bettor checks his hand on the flop? He's a TAG. Only 3 players in the pot so he may have something and is waiting till the turn. Hindsight, but this might send up a signal that you can remember for next time. He 3 bets PF then checks the flop. HMMMM? Big hand?

Turn, like others, capping isn't good, CC here. It will be 2 bets to you though since SB is prob betting his hand and BTn is raising no doubt.

River you are only using one of your cards for the gut str8(non nut str8 but close).

Now instead, SB checks, if OP checks the river, Btn bets, SB calls we are calling. Way easier way to show the hand down than betting and getting 3-4 bet.

Go back and replay the hand to yourself and ask yourself why you did certain things in the hand. (got that from Bernie). It really helps a lot.

Why the BTn didn't pop it again on the river is beyond me.

Oh and don't fret, you could play 75o in the SB and call 2 cold like that idiot did. Now that's pretty lame.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

grunching

Button's flop check is suspicious as he should be betting any two cards

Turn cap blows an island of donkeys, there is no way you're 33% equity and you're not bluffing two people off their hands.

River you could probably fold for the two cold, you're either getting 1/3 of the pot or nothing and it looks like someone has a boat.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

Pre-flop 3-bet + Only two opponents + Flop check = Monster. Just about always.

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SB had 75 offsuit (as I said before, SB is a total loony and that's the only explanation I can come up with for why s/he would call three bets preflop).


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Might be a loon, but it's kind of obvious that he has at least trips on the turn.

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Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

grunching as well...

pre-flop and flop are good. The turn is close, but I think I'd just check it. TAGs don't usually 3-bet PF and then just give up after the flop. I think button most likely hand is a monster (TT) that he's slowplaying, some kind of defensive check with a smaller PP (99, 88?), or AK. None of these are going to lay down to a turn bet, and with the paired board you can't really bet your draws for value.

I sort of want to fold when SB check-3-bets the turn - we could very easily be drawing dead against a boat. Still, though, if she's kinda loony than that's enough doubt to call. I certainly wouldn't cap it, though - why charge yourself extra when you could be dead already and you will never get a better hand to fold?

I suppose you have to bet the river, but I really want to fold when it comes back 3-bet. I mean, everyone sees the 4-straight on board, but no one is slowing down. Still, though, I suppose you have to call if SB is really loony enough to keep going apeshit with A7 or might overplay a 6 here.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

grunching:

Preflop, flop OK.

I think betting is OK on the turn as a semibluff since your two opponents have been so weak until that point. When raised and reraised you are in big trouble. You have to call 2BB with ~11BB in the pot. Your straight and flush outs must be discounted because a full house is now a serious possibility. Also button may cap. I am leaning towards a fold. Capping yourself is catastrophic.

As played, check behind on the river.

Re: KJs: flush draw + gutshot + two overcards on turn
 

Button missed an easy final 2 bets that he would have gotten from you both had he reraised on the very end.

Your turn play(like so many hands)is the key here that you need to focus on. Cost you 2-3 extra big bets there. Oh that and that when someone 3 bets preflop and doesn't bet the flop with only 2 others in the pot you have to think that he has a big hand. Not a given but a strong possibility. Remember this hand. It is really easy to recall the big pot hands where you win. I mostly rememeber the ones where I thought I was playing okay but after I posted the hand here I realized that whoops, maybe not so good after all. I'll bet that the SB didn't feel to good having check around when that 9 hit the turn eh?