Top 10 video games (Edge Magazine)
 

BBC article about the rankings

Edge magazine and industry experts rated the top 100 games of all time. Here's their top 10:

1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Super Mario 64
4. Half Life 2
5. Super Mario World
6. Zelda: A Link to the Past
7. Halo: Combat Evolved
8. Final Fantasy XII
9. Tetris
10. Super Metroid

RE4 was a great game, but I don't think it's the second greatest game of all time. And I'd take Half Life 1 over 2. I don't disagree with their number 1 though.

Anyway, if you're the type that likes arguing with lists created by media outlets (and I know you're out there) have at it...

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All the games on the list are obviously great and many of them belong, however I count exaclty 0 NES games, which clearly indicates this list is seriously flawed (ie geared towards newer games)

No Super Mario Bros 3?
No original Zelda?
No Mike Tyson's Punchout?

I assume this is a console only list, which is fine, but if this list supposedly includes PC games and StarCraft isn't on the list, then it's like making a list of the greatest basketball players ever and not having Michael Jordan on it.

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terrible list

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Some thoughts on the comments, and the forthcoming comments:

There is no reason to think that every console should be represented, even the NES. The NES should obviously be on an "important steps in the history of video gaming" list, but the games aren't necessarily better than every other game anyone else ever put out there.

Yes, it's bizarre that they used different criteria for each game on the list, and in some sense that makes it useless. Tetris is arguably "more important" and "more catchy" than anything else there, but it's at #9. At least it's on the list at all, however it doesn't stand up as far as the criteria that they must have used to include things like Half Life 2 on there. If innovation were a primary factor, then HL2 would be replaced by earlier games that did the same things, only worse.

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super mario 3 is better than all other marios and its not close. i haven't even heard of anyone ever making any other claim until this thread.

also tetris is severely underrated.

the dark horse i would like to see on the list (but i know realistically wouldn't ever make it) is Dr. Robotniks Mean Bean machine. probably the ultimate game from the tetris family.

edit: also, ocarina of time #1?

edit2: what about Goldeneye? pretty sure that should make the list. probably in the 6-8 region. maybe touch higher though. Finally, Starcraft? is there even a RTS on the list? no game has had a lifecycle as long as starcraft, there are still PROFESSIONAL leagues 10 years after the game came out.

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Replace Mario World with Mario 3, Mario 64 gone. Tetris higher up, RE4 gone and replace with Starcraft.

Replace Link to the Past with Original zelda?

Other thoughts?

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1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - LOL
2. Resident Evil 4 - Great game, 2 is a little high though
3. Super Mario 64 - wtf?
4. Half Life 2 - meh
5. Super Mario World - looks decent, i think this was the best mario overall
6. Zelda: A Link to the Past - id rather put zelda 1 and drop it a couple spots
7. Halo: Combat Evolved - i can see it, but id rather see goldeneye
8. Final Fantasy XII - wtf, not even in the top 3 of FF, take the best one and put it somewhere in the top 3 of this list
9. Tetris - i guess
10. Super Metroid - i guess

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pretty much all lists about everything worldwide are retarted

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Did they mean Final Fantasy VII?

I think the list (well, at least the top 10) is actually decent. I actually prefer both Mario 64 and Super Mario World to SMB3, but I realize I'm in the minority on that one. Never played HL2, and it sounds good, but from what I've heard it doesn't belong that high in a greatest games list.

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Wow, I just now realized that it was Final Fantasy XII on the list. L O L.

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ff12 wtf? that game was good, but definitely doesn't belong on any top ten games list, unless it's "top 10 final fantasies"

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Replace Link to the Past with Original zelda?

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the dark horse i would like to see on the list (but i know realistically wouldn't ever make it) is Dr. Robotniks Mean Bean machine. probably the ultimate game from the tetris family.

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Tetris Attack.

Some iteration of Street Fighter 2 could make the list, or maybe one of the recent Virtua Fighters?

lol at FF 12. A great game, but it's really only better than 1, 2, 3, and 5.

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the dark horse i would like to see on the list (but i know realistically wouldn't ever make it) is Dr. Robotniks Mean Bean machine. probably the ultimate game from the tetris family.

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Tetris Attack.

Some iteration of Street Fighter 2 could make the list, or maybe one of the recent Virtua Fighters?

lol at FF 12. A great game, but it's really only better than 1, 2, 3, and 5.

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Best puzzle game thus far.

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Did they mean Final Fantasy VII?

I think the list (well, at least the top 10) is actually decent. I actually prefer both Mario 64 and Super Mario World to SMB3, but I realize I'm in the minority on that one. Never played HL2, and it sounds good, but from what I've heard it doesn't belong that high in a greatest games list.

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Seeing as Super Mario 64 is #3 on this list, top 5 on the 2 IGN lists, #1 on NextGen magazine's first list, #2 or 3 on NextGen's second list (Ocarina of Time replaced it), and is on just about any other list, you aren't in the minority (or if you are you're in the correct minority).

SMB3 is great and all, but 64 is a complete and utter masterpiece. No 3D game has come close to its perfection.

Mario 64 and Zelda 64 are the two that belong there without ANY doubt whatsoever.

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Mario 64 and Zelda 64 are the two that belong there without ANY doubt whatsoever.


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1) Super Mario World should be replaced by Super Mario 3. World was great and all; but it was basically 3 with updated graphics and an updated map system. Plus they dumped the inventory and the mushroom houses which I loved. I don't have any problems with Mario 64 being rated higher; but that's a matter of personal preference.

2) FFXII is a retarded choice. The three best FF's are IV,VI,VII. With VI and VII being close.

3) RE4 is rated too high. Put it at 8.

4) There are no fighting games at all, which I think is semi-retarded. Street Fighter 2 basically invented the genre and sustained the arcade business for the better part of a decade.

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Super Mario World should be replaced by Yoshi's Island.

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VERY [censored] TERRIBLE. I hate every game in that list.

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anyone ever play UN Squadron on the SNES? that game was awesome. even if i had no idea wtf the un was.

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1) Super Mario World should be replaced by Super Mario 3. World was great and all; but it was basically 3 with updated graphics and an updated map system. Plus they dumped the inventory and the mushroom houses which I loved. I don't have any problems with Mario 64 being rated higher; but that's a matter of personal preference.

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This is a pretty decent point, I've thought about the 3-World similarities myself. World has a saving system and a lot of fancy hidden secrets, but that might not be enough to propel it above 3 since 3 came first. I guess it all comes down to level design in this case, and while I have "beaten" all the main Mario games, I have come nowhere close to playing through every level of 3 or World (warping ftw).

Yoshi's Island forces you to play through them all though, and obv I got all 120 stars in 64.

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Deus Ex needs to be on any kind of best video game ever list, way too good to be ignored.

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No Metal Gear Solid ? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

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no mention of counterstrike? world of warcraft? =O

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No Doom or Quake? Eh, I guess 3D was just a fad. I should have known nobody would like FPS's.

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They also missed FF VII (the best one by far)

Mariocart could have made it's way in here...Tecmo Superbowl...sigh...i hate these lists

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You're throwing out too many names for a top 10 list, evidenced by the fact that the top 10 list would have at least 30 games on it if all of you were right.

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wtf where is "horace goes skiing"?

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You're throwing out too many names for a top 10 list, evidenced by the fact that the top 10 list would have at least 30 games on it if all of you were right.

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This might be true but there is no denying that the list is shifted towards more modern games. RE4 was a great game but I don't have it above some of the GTA's(1/2/Vice) or GoW. And, FF-12, though I loved the game(it's had one of the best storylines of any game I have played) and have it as my top 3 FF game, you need to toss it and put in Chrono Trigger or if you really need an FF than FFVII.

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Personally I thought many of the sequels or originals were better than those listed.

1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
--OK, but #1?

2. Resident Evil 4
--I thought 2 was better and more revolutionary

3. Super Mario 64
--I thought 3 & world were WAY better

4. Half Life 2
--Fun game, but again, not in my top 10

5. Super Mario World
--64 was better?

6. Zelda: A Link to the Past
--This game was awesome

7. Halo: Combat Evolved
--Revolutionary, though I enjoyed 2 more

8. Final Fantasy XII
--Didn't even finish this game, too repetitive w/ no work from the user for most battles. 2, 3 & 7 were better (US)

9. Tetris
--Can't argue

10. Super Metroid
--I wouldn't put this as my top 10

What about the original Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Tekken, MGS, Star or Warcraft & Diablo 2? IMO these were more revolutionary (better?) than many of the above.

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Why is Diablo 2 more revolutionary than Diablo 1?

I think Dune is missing there for RTS's, if we're talking revolutionary. Caveat being that hardly anyone played it even at the time it came out.

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39 now that should be in the top 10, good job guys.

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1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - ok
2. Resident Evil 4 - should be 5 spots lower
3. Super Mario 64 - this should be lower, 8-10 or not on
4. Half Life 2 - I have no clue why they included 2 over 1, these people are stupid
5. Super Mario World - this should be SMB 3, clearly someone made a mistake
6. Zelda: A Link to the Past - you can't have 2 Zelda games, sorry, either Ocarina of Time or Link pick one
7. Halo: Combat Evolved - This is such a joke
8. Final Fantasy XII - This makes no sense whatsoever
9. Tetris - ok
10. Super Metroid - ok

This may be the worst top 10 list I've seen in a while. One PC game and its Half Life 2? Not one RTS, TBS or American RPG. The one JRPG is XII? Thats [censored] insane. Why the hell is Halo on the list? Its [censored] awful.

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Personally I thought many of the sequels or originals were better than those listed.

1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
--OK, but #1?

2. Resident Evil 4
--I thought 2 was better and more revolutionary

3. Super Mario 64
--I thought 3 & world were WAY better

4. Half Life 2
--Fun game, but again, not in my top 10

5. Super Mario World
--64 was better?

6. Zelda: A Link to the Past
--This game was awesome

7. Halo: Combat Evolved
--Revolutionary, though I enjoyed 2 more

8. Final Fantasy XII
--Didn't even finish this game, too repetitive w/ no work from the user for most battles. 2, 3 & 7 were better (US)

9. Tetris
--Can't argue

10. Super Metroid
--I wouldn't put this as my top 10

What about the original Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Tekken, MGS, Star or Warcraft & Diablo 2? IMO these were more revolutionary (better?) than many of the above.

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1. It's top 5 any which way you slice it.

2. No. 2 is fun but it's no different than 1.

3. They aren't.

5. Yes.

Mortal Kombat & Tekken in the top 10 is ludicrous.

I don't agree entirely with the list, and it certainly seems to be skewed recent (I also suspect that FFXII may be a typo for VII - if anyone gets their hands on the actual magazine let us know), but a lot of you are just being ridiculous.

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I'm wondering if Half Life 2 included votes for counter strike. On it's own it doesn't really deserve a top 10 mention but if CS is considered part of HL2 then it's a definite top 10.

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I don't get what criteria they are judging on. If they are judging on impact then pong should be up there. If they are judging on ho good the game is then Twilight Princess>Ocarina of Time etc, etc. If they are judging on how good the game was at the time it was released, where is Super Mario Brothers 1?

It seems like they are judging games on whatever random criteria they want. Also, regardless Street Fighter 2 and Starcraft should undoubtably be on there.

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If they are judging on ho good the game is then Twilight Princess>Ocarina of Time

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No. Seriously, not even close. It's too easy, the wolf parts are clunky, the story is nowhere near as engrossing. Just because it has improved visuals and the control has been refined doesn't make it better.

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It isn't more revolutionary, IMO I think they wanted to make 2 first, fell short, and came up w/ 2 later. 2 is just a more complete game IMO.

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I read up on it and I think the list is largely "reader's choice" so that would explain a little bit. It's unclear how much industry experts and Edge editors tinkered with the reader's choices, but full-blown reader's choice lists are horrendously bad (see IGN's RC lists).

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If they are judging on ho good the game is then Twilight Princess>Ocarina of Time

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No. Seriously, not even close. It's too easy, the wolf parts are clunky, the story is nowhere near as engrossing. Just because it has improved visuals and the control has been refined doesn't make it better.

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If they were both released today, TP would be considered the slightly better game. Only reason some parts were considered easy, and the storyline wasn't as engrossing was because you had played through OoT, Majoras Maskand has seen that stuff before. However, compared to other games at the time of the release OoT destroys TP. But the impact even OoT made was nothing compared to the impact SMB 1 had.