KTs - EP
 

CO: 44/22/0.74 - 45 hands

0.15/0.30 Fixed-Limit Hold'em <font color="blue">(10 handed)</font>
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="grey">UTG folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="grey">4 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="grey">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (3.47 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, <font color="grey">BB folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

<ul type="square">Unraised pot, I have limped at early possition so probably represent better hand then late limper, Im first to act and with my strong OESD and backdoor flush start to press.
After raise I decide that my opponent could be at flush draw possilby (but I dont know if he was he would be cut of 3rd player - he would probably just call with his flush draw) or he has top/middle pair.

Is 3bet good here?
Or better give him initiative and play c/c to river?[/list]Turn: (4.73 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (6.73 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="grey">CO folds</font>.

Final Pot: 7.73 BB

Re: KTs - EP
 

with the flush draw on the board you only have 8 outs. I dont like the bet in early position, especially with such a small pot. Not a good value bet. As played, I would call the raise with pot odds on the flop.

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fold PF ... anyone else

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Strictly speaking yes. But if the table is loose and passive, especially with a lot of limpers, this hand has +EV.

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I bet the flop myself, but I don't 3-bet it OOP. CO is on the passive side postflop, so I wouldn't be expecting him to pump a flush draw. Plus, 3-betting the flop kinda means you have to bet the turn, and that would result in you probably putting a lot of money into the pot when most likely behind. Since you did 3-bet the flop, bet the turn as you did.

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I don't mind pre-flop, I'm fond of suited broadways and try to stay away from tables where it's super tight.

I don't care for the 3-bet pre-flop because despite the hugeness of your draw you still aren't going to win without improving and aren't going to improve often enough. If there were more people in maybe.

If I was feeling fancy I would go for the c/r on the river, your flop play looks a like a flush draw.

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kerowo how about bet flop?

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fold PF ... anyone else

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try to avoid tables where folding here is the correct play

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kerowo how about bet flop?

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I tend to bet these draws on flops because I'd hate it to be checked through. The 3-bet isn't good though.

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I tend to bet these draws on flops because I'd hate it to be checked through.

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Why do you hate this getting checked through 3handed?

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I tend to bet these draws on flops because I'd hate it to be checked through.

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Why do you hate this getting checked through 3handed?

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Because I'm bad at math?

Mostly because I don't mind taking this down on the flop if other folks are fold monkies. I would be surprised if it there is much difference between b/c here and c/c though.

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Yeah I bet but was just pointing out that if it checks through the thinking isn't "damn I missed an equity pump" it's "damn Khigh might be good and I gave a free card."

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fold PF ... anyone else

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no

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I think the flop bet should be pretty standard, getting something like A8 to fold would be a coup. Once raised I'd just call. If there were some callers hanging around, then there might be some value in a 3-bet but not HU.

Rest of the hand is standard given your flop 3-bet.

Whether to bet or go for a turn check raise if you had just called is probably a more interesting decision than anything that actually happened.

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If I was feeling fancy I would go for the c/r on the river, your flop play looks a like a flush draw.

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You should never be check/raising the river, because you should have already check/raised the turn with the nuts (and a redraw to the even-bigger-nuts).

As played, of course, you have to bet the turn and river.

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flop 3 bet blows cos what ya gunna do when u wiff th turn OOP?

bet/call the flop pls

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fold PF ... anyone else

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no

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How about a turn c/r. fancy!

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preflop.. depends on the table.. loose i call, tight i fold
bet flop is good, but 3 bet will lead you to a difficult turn play.
the rest is standard

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fold PF ... anyone else

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try to avoid tables where folding here is the correct play

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If I followed that advice, I 'd only be able to play 2 tables at once at the max, and only late at night or on weekends.

At the tables I usually run into at $1/2 at Stars, folding here is usually the correct play. Unfortunately, he didn't give any reads on the rest of his table, just the CO. Judging by the actions of the rest of the table though, folds and a raise, he should have folded preflop. The table, if they act like this every hand, is too tight and aggressive to call here preflop profitably.