man on a mission
 

I have decided that for the whole month of july,im only going to play 6.50 cent plo8 sngs,I play 10 at a time and it usually takes around 1 to 2 hours to play 10.Im gonna try to play 2000 sngs ,and my goal is to win 3k.Anyone think this is possible? I think the hard part is gonna be the 2k tourneys,i know i can get 1500 in.I invite all the donks to multi table with me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: man on a mission
 

The ROI goal should be doable at that level (25%) though I don't know how much 10-tabling will handicap you (I never play more than 3 tables myself). I think doing that volume is the hard part. You will turn yourself into a PLO8 zombie...

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I say go for it, but don't blow a gasket if you realize in the first few days that your goals involve too many tourneys. Being willing to adjust your goals is probably an important consideration here.

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When i 10 table,i am only doing it for a short amount of time.It takes about 30-45 min to get all the tables going so by the time 10 pops up ,number 1 and 2 are down to end,and sometimes you bomb out of the first few.

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2k in a month is going to be very hard.. the omaha sngs don't fill up as fast as a holdem sng. I also think 3k is not going to be attainable. I've played about 500 of these in my database.. 11.45 ROI. 25% just seems a little lofty to aim for considering the nature of omaha hands. I think something like 15-18% could be doable, maybe 20% for one of the very best omaha players.

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well,i have recently played around 200 in the past few days and i have averaged 50 percent roi,i know that is running really good but i think 25 percent is no problem,and i am the best:)

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GoneForever also had a thread recently where he showed 44% ROI over a couple hundred or more PLO8 SNGs. The 98% confidence interval for his true ROI was 24-64% as I recall. So it is possible. But GoneForever is certainly one of the best tournament/SNG PLO8 players here.

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lol, obviously

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200 sngs is not nearly a large enough sample. Anyone can have a 40% roi over 2-300, if I include holdem sngs.. or heads up sngs, I have quite a few stretches where I ran at 50%+

I'd be willing to wager over a sample size of say 2k sngs.. 25% is not attainable at anything above micro stakes where people have absolutely no clue what is going on

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as of right now my number of sngs are 2291 and total profit +3290,the low roi is bc of 5-6 200 holdem sngs going bad,pair over pair beat in 5 of them so i stop playing holdem sngs after that,lol.I would bet if i knew you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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25% is not attainable at anything above micro stakes

Not sure what you consider microstakes (PStars would categorize OP's $6+0.50 stakes as 'low' rather than micro), but even if you consider GoneForever's ROI unsustainable, check out SharkScope for AJB444 on PokerStars. Now (since I lack a subscription) I don't know how many of his nearly 7000 games are PLO8 (though I have always crossed paths with him at the PLO8 $30+$3 SNGs). But he has a 28% ROI over nearly 7000 games at average buyin of $11.

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eh.. 6 is kinda borderline for either.. I'd prolly consider it micro. I'd say 10+ is above micro. I don't have a subscription either. Would be interesting to see just the omaha stats.

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UrOBean PokerStars $11,642
2 AngryFish PokerStars $9,093
3 AJB4 FullTilt $5,950
4 ousmane PokerStars $5,834 Check out all these guys roi and you can see what the range is.I am out of searches

Re: man on a mission
 

which site are you using to search?

Re: man on a mission
 

sharkscope

Re: man on a mission
 

I played 6 today. 52% roi, ship it!

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first 60 tourneys,yuck,only win 20 dollars,im sure it will get better

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day 2 a lot better,average around 1.90 per tourney which is about 29 percent roi,i will keep posting for those who might be interested

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after day 2 111 sngs 190.00 profit 1.71 per tourny ROI 26 % on pace to play 1600 sngs and profit of 2850

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What's your name on stars.. I been playing the 6's to build my stars roll.. left myself with $100 awhile back when I got pissed off and cashed everything out. I'm Lvdonkey there

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sharky2323...do you play on full tilt ,i need someone to trasnfer me money,and i can pay from stars

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yes, but I don't do transfers with people I don't know.. especially on full tilt.. got too much there to have them lock my account for some retarded reason lol

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here ya go donkey http://arcatum.net/startracker/qp.php

Re: man on a mission
 

I played about 30 of the $6.50 turbos today. I think a higher ROI is definitely possible in these compared to the $6.50 turbo NLHE for a variety of reasons. Can discuss more tomorrow.

Re: man on a mission
 

after day 4 205 tourneys 525 profit,on pace to achieve goal of 3k

Re: man on a mission
 

guess I've been slacking and getting wasted the last 2 days.. you will have some competition from now on.

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Some reasons I think you can get a higher ROI in PLo/8 vs. NLHE:

Players chasing low for all their chips vs. multiple opponents.
Not knowing hand values and the values of draws they may be against.
Not knowing how to control pot sizes.
Playing nut low, no backup, no high and raising and reraising on the flop.
Playing the bubble too passively when short stack is in the BB.
Playing the bubble too loosely when you're 2nd or 3rd in chips.
Passive ITM play when blinds are high.

I played against one guy who according to that startracker site is a winning player over a few hundred PLo/8 $6.50s. This guy had no clue about bubble play. I was chipleader, he was 2nd in chips and one guy had 1800 chips and the short stack was 800 chips (2.5BBs). Before the hand started his chips were worth $18.02 real money. Had he doubled up they would have been worth $23.27 - a gain of $5.25. Instead he busted and lost $18.02 on that hand. He had absolutely no clue about what his hand was worth in real $$ or what he stood to gain in real $$ by playing the hand.

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These reasons are all going to dissappear in higher buy ins than the micros though. I've found most people know what is going on in the 30's. I think the $16's are prolly beatable for 15% or so.. but above that you're going to get in a lot of 50/50 situations with people that know what they are doing which should massively increase your variance.

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that is true,i have also figured something else out.A lot of the good o8 players are losing or have really really low roi in the 32+3 turbo,one reason,higher rake,on the 15+1 ,you get 45 invested for 3 bucks,in the 32+3,you only get 32,so thats 13 more money in prize pool you get in the 15 tourneys

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I agree with you there, the extra rake does hurt.. I moved up to those for awhile, and unless the table was pretty crazy it always ended up being 7 players left at 100/200 level which turns it into a total crapshoot.

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I need some more doubters.Im getting a little burned out

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You're on the PLo/8 leaderboard for avg. profit last 500 games ($6-$15) but not for total profit last 12 months. Get busy slacker it's only $2551 to make the list.

N/M - you're up there at $3800+....missed your name.

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In the best case, doesn't that still only work out to like $15 per hour?

Yawn.

Re: man on a mission
 

yup,around 15 an hour for the 6 dollar ones but its a sure 15 at the end of the month,no chance of losing....

Re: man on a mission
 

For $15 an hour of sure money you might as well go back to the paper route or math tutoring.

Re: man on a mission
 

And another thing: for how long do you think that this is going to remain a plum game now that every 2p2er knows about it?

Expect your ROI to drop to 10%. If you stay lucky.

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It's not exactly a plum game if you make $15 an hour through relentless 10-tabling. I think it will probably be soft indefinitely, since most people who can beat it will move up after not too long.

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$15/hr is pretty good money for a lot of people. I'm pretty sure almost everyone that lives in the crappy town I'm from makes less than that. I know a guy who's 29, makes minimum wage.. and another one that is 30, has worked in a factory for 12 years.. makes 13/hr, I just have to laugh at that crap.

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I apologize from my ivory tower. But that seems like a helluva sweat to make $15 an hour.

If you are good enough to pull this off, you should do it for 3-4 weeks to build a roll and then move to something more meaningful.

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ITA $15/hr isn't worth it. That is quite the grindstone. I'd almost rather stock shelves for that money, def would prefer a normal job. Now if you doubled that rate, I think the % of non-P2Pers who would take that gig would be well above 80%... still might be light for this crew. I hope Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery doesn't cost more than 3 Large, otherwise you might have some real problems.