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Pinky 02-22-2006 08:49 PM

Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
So, no WMD. Over a $100 or maybe $200 billion blown already, about 2200 soldiers killed, many more maimed and missing limbs, who knows how many thousands of Iraqis killed, Bin Laden still free, crappy infrastructure, insurgents having the luxury of taking potshots & every soldier in Iraq is one soldier not in Afghanistan hunting OBL. Biggest BS ever. Besides people with a financial interest (defense contractors) supporting Bush, are the other Bush supporters just retarded?

BCPVP 02-22-2006 08:52 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
I can see how you got your *...

QuadsOverQuads 02-22-2006 08:58 PM

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Biggest BS ever. Besides people with a financial interest (defense contractors) supporting Bush, are the other Bush supporters just retarded?

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Shhh! Don't ask questions, or you're a Liberal Communist Atheist Evolutionist EnemyOfTheState Evildoer! (And don't get me started about how you Hate America!)


q/q

Hopey 02-22-2006 09:00 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
Once the Iraqi civil war starts, the US will be high-tailing it out of there. Should be any day now.

QuadsOverQuads 02-22-2006 09:13 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
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Once the Iraqi civil war starts, the US will be high-tailing it out of there. Should be any day now.

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Exact opposite, actually.

Bush, the Republicans and about half the Democrats will suddenly decide that it's absolutely critical to our "national security interests" that Iraq not "spiral into chaos" -- so the US presence in the area will just have to expand and dig in for even longer. But it's not like they planned it this way or anything, though ... really ... trust me ...

(And when they expand operations into Iran and Syria, well, that certainly won't be by design either ...)


q/q

RickyG 02-22-2006 09:37 PM

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[image]http://www.fotoblick.de/cards/[censored]-happens.jpg[/image]

this is average sized BS.

Wes Mantooth 02-22-2006 09:41 PM

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canis582 ???

Riddick 02-22-2006 09:51 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
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So, no WMD

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None found. Be specific.

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Over a $100 or maybe $200 billion blown already,

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It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.

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about 2200 soldiers killed

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Marines aren't soldiers, but you've already indicated you really don't have much of a clue.

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many more maimed and missing limbs

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering

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who knows how many thousands of Iraqis killed

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Again, you have no clue.

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Bin Laden still free

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Explain in detail why he is still free, proving you have a clue regarding military search and recon operations (I'll expect you to demonstrate your military expertise and experience, specifically special forces operations that are being employed to hunt down OBL) otherwise STFU

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crappy infrastructure

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Huh? What do you even mean by this?

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insurgents having the luxury of taking potshots

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Quite the opposite. Our Marine/Recon snipers in Fallujah have the luxury of taking the pot shots. It is more of a final moment for the insurgents.

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every soldier in Iraq is one soldier not in Afghanistan hunting OBL

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We would not have 150,000 troops in Afghanistan. There's that "no clue what you're talking about" thing again.

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Biggest BS ever.

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People running their mouths without a clue is the biggest BS ever.

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Besides people with a financial interest (defense contractors) supporting Bush, are the other Bush supporters just retarded?

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All of that red space below is "retarded". I suggest you move to Canada.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/poli...map-final2.gif

Eagles 02-22-2006 10:02 PM

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Please don't move to Canada although I am sure you'll find lots of people who agree with you.

Myrtle 02-22-2006 10:08 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
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So, no WMD

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None found. Be specific.

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Over a $100 or maybe $200 billion blown already,

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It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.

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about 2200 soldiers killed

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Marines aren't soldiers, but you've already indicated you really don't have much of a clue.

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many more maimed and missing limbs

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering

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who knows how many thousands of Iraqis killed

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Again, you have no clue.

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Bin Laden still free

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Explain in detail why he is still free, proving you have a clue regarding military search and recon operations (I'll expect you to demonstrate your military expertise and experience, specifically special forces operations that are being employed to hunt down OBL) otherwise STFU

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crappy infrastructure

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Huh? What do you even mean by this?

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insurgents having the luxury of taking potshots

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Quite the opposite. Our Marine/Recon snipers in Fallujah have the luxury of taking the pot shots. It is more of a final moment for the insurgents.

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every soldier in Iraq is one soldier not in Afghanistan hunting OBL

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We would not have 150,000 troops in Afghanistan. There's that "no clue what you're talking about" thing again.

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Biggest BS ever.

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People running their mouths without a clue is the biggest BS ever.

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Besides people with a financial interest (defense contractors) supporting Bush, are the other Bush supporters just retarded?

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All of that red space below is "retarded". I suggest you move to Canada.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/poli...map-final2.gif

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The OP may not have said it very eloquently, but he's pretty much on target.

Riddick, did I see somewhere that you were up at Northeastern visiting your buddies this past week or so?

So tell me, doesn't that put your right about the right age to join the Marines (not soldiers) and demonstrate your commitment to your ideals?

Given your ripe old age, I'd be pretty interested in knowing what your level of experience & expertise is, given that you are so up front with challenging everyone elses?

Pinky 02-22-2006 10:24 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
So, no WMD

None found. Be specific.
--What do you mean? I mean WMD in Iraq was the justification for the war. Where have you been for the past 3 years? Have you been reading newspapers?

Quote:
Over a $100 or maybe $200 billion blown already,
It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.
--I stopped following at $200 billion. Actually, I just checked and it's 400 billion.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0221/p01s03-usfp.html

about 2200 soldiers killed
Marines aren't soldiers, but you've already indicated you really don't have much of a clue.
--Does that really make a difference? How bout I just say members of the military.

many more maimed and missing limbs
If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering
---over 16,500 wounded--http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/national/12WOUNDED.html?ex=1297400400&en=476fb31d9ac9e0 1e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

who knows how many thousands of Iraqis killed
Again, you have no clue.
--estimates up to 100,000 but for obvious reasons, it's hard to get an accurate count
http://journals.aol.com/bmiller224/O...g/entries/2111

Bin Laden still free
Explain in detail why he is still free, proving you have a clue regarding military search and recon operations (I'll expect you to demonstrate your military expertise and experience, specifically special forces operations that are being employed to hunt down OBL) otherwise STFU
--I don't know why a 6 '4'-6 '5" man in Afghanistan who needs kidney dialysis can hide for 3 years. Maybe there's not enough troops hunting him down. Besides, there shouldn't be any excuses about recon operations.

crappy infrastructure
Huh? What do you even mean by this?
--the average Iraqi doesn't get much electricity. Do I have cite this too?

insurgents having the luxury of taking potshots
Quite the opposite. Our Marine/Recon snipers in Fallujah have the luxury of taking the pot shots. It is more of a final moment for the insurgents.
--Insurgents set off IEDs and sit back and blend back into the population. Time is on their side. The marines patrol and move in the open and unfortunately, are sitting ducks.

every soldier in Iraq is one soldier not in Afghanistan hunting OBL
We would not have 150,000 troops in Afghanistan. There's that "no clue what you're talking about" thing again.
--But couldn't some more of those 150,000 be useful there? It's probably too late now.

Biggest BS ever.
People running their mouths without a clue is the biggest BS ever.
--Seriously, Riddick, do you follow the news? btw, I'm not trying to convince you. I'm actually in awe of what a salesman Bush is.
Besides people with a financial interest (defense contractors) supporting Bush, are the other Bush supporters just retarded?
All of that red space below is "retarded". I suggest you move to Canada.
--you missed my point. Even if every single person had voted for Bush, does that still make the Iraq war worthwhile?

Riddick 02-22-2006 10:29 PM

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So tell me, doesn't that put your right about the right age to join the Marines (not soldiers) and demonstrate your commitment to your ideals?


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There is no "right" age to join the Mah-rines. Any age is the right age. But thanks to Murray Rothbard I don't believe in war.

Coming from a family of Marines I will probably end up doing my time. Worry about yourself.

Myrtle 02-22-2006 10:38 PM

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So tell me, doesn't that put your right about the right age to join the Marines (not soldiers) and demonstrate your commitment to your ideals?


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There is no "right" age to join the Mah-rines. Any age is the right age. But thanks to Murray Rothbard I don't believe in war.

Coming from a family of Marines I will probably end up doing my time. Worry about yourself.

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Nice dodging of the issue.

I don't have to worry about me....I did my time, and it was combat time, sonny boy.

So nice that you don't believe in war, but are willing to shout support of it to anyone who's within earshot.

They have a number of names for people who take that position.

Need I elaborate?

Riddick 02-22-2006 10:52 PM

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So nice that you don't believe in war, but are willing to shout support of it to anyone who's within earshot.


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In my post I displayed no support for any war. You lack reading comprehension.

Myrtle 02-22-2006 11:02 PM

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So nice that you don't believe in war, but are willing to shout support of it to anyone who's within earshot.


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In my post I displayed no support for any war. You lack reading comprehension.

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....and you consistently act like a little boy who does not have the courage of his convictions.

bdk3clash 02-22-2006 11:22 PM

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Cartograph of ye olde red state/blue state map (corrected for population):
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/...dbluelarge.png
source

Riddick 02-22-2006 11:46 PM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities? Seems like a mischaracterization of at least several of the states as a whole.

bdk3clash 02-22-2006 11:48 PM

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Also rather than start a new thread, here's an interesting and very well-researched article by Tom Engelhardt titled "A Permanent Basis for Withdrawal?" on the permanent military bases we're building in Iraq.

PoBoy321 02-22-2006 11:51 PM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities? Seems like a mischaracterization of at least several of the states as a whole.

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It's all explained in the link. You'd do well to actually find out about what you're criticizing before you do it.

The map is just based on population of states and 2004 election results. There are similar maps that are broken down by county and by just how close the elections were.

Nepa 02-22-2006 11:57 PM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities? Seems like a mischaracterization of at least several of the states as a whole.

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I guess people in cities don't count? Are you trying to speak some sort of code that the black vote shouldn't count?

Dammit, there you go again! Hijack the post so we don't talk about the BS war!

PoBoy321 02-23-2006 12:00 AM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities? Seems like a mischaracterization of at least several of the states as a whole.

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I guess people in cities don't count? Are you trying to speak some sort of code that the black vote shouldn't count?

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No, he's just saying that that 10 square miles of empty fields in Oklahoma with a population of roughly 0 zero is just as representative of the political climate in the US as a 10 square mile section of a densely populated city with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in it.

bdk3clash 02-23-2006 12:02 AM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities?

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I don't know, probably for the same reason your map colors states with very close counts entirely red. Why would whether or not the votes came from "one or several large cities" matter? (Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here.)

I included the source of the map, read it for yourself if you have any questions as to its methodology. (I did.)

FWIW the 2004 presidential election had the smallest percentage margin of victory--2.5%--of any sitting president ever. (Wikipedia page on the 2004 presidential election)

ElliotR 02-23-2006 12:28 AM

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Coming from a family of Marines I will probably end up doing my time.

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I will bet anyone $10,000 to the charity of their choice against their $5,000 to a charity of my choice that Riddick does not join the Marines *and complete basic training* within the next three years.

nicky g 02-23-2006 06:22 AM

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"Quite the opposite. Our Marine/Recon snipers in Fallujah have the luxury of taking the pot shots. It is more of a final moment for the insurgents."

[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] That final moment has been going on a damn long time now. Hurray for turning corners!

Myrtle 02-23-2006 08:36 AM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities?

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I don't know, probably for the same reason your map colors states with very close counts entirely red. Why would whether or not the votes came from "one or several large cities" matter? (Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here.)

I included the source of the map, read it for yourself if you have any questions as to its methodology. (I did.)

FWIW the 2004 presidential election had the smallest percentage margin of victory--2.5%--of any sitting president ever. (Wikipedia page on the 2004 presidential election)

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....you are one mean sob! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Trying to confuse the issue with facts again.....Do you think he's capable of seeing his own hypocrisy?

Myrtle 02-23-2006 08:37 AM

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Coming from a family of Marines I will probably end up doing my time.

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I will bet anyone $10,000 to the charity of their choice against their $5,000 to a charity of my choice that Riddick does not join the Marines *and complete basic training* within the next three years.

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.....methinks you'll have no takers on that wager, sir.

mackthefork 02-23-2006 08:59 AM

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering


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This sort of nonsense makes me sick, Bush has been chanting like a pom-pom girl for the past 5 years, spouting out his rhetoric, all with the sole purpose of making this complete waste of life acceptable to decent people. If you speak out about it, if you dare count the numbers of killed and wounded, then you are a sick minded person who uses other peoples suffering to politicize, what is already a [censored] political issue, you can't be a patriot, patriots love war.

This is nothing more than an underhanded way of avoiding a debate you cannot hope to win.

Mack

evil twin 02-23-2006 09:23 AM

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering

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This kind of argument is sickening. I actually believe it is YOU who is disgracing fallen troops by trying to stifle reasonable discussion about the war.

No one is trying to underplay the great job the armed forces do in extremely difficult circumstances. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with a view of the administration which took us into the war.

You have been fed the line that arguing against the war is anti the troops in Iraq. These two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive. One can (obviously!) support the troops and yet be vehomently against the war.

Myrtle 02-23-2006 09:34 AM

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering

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This kind of argument is sickening. I actually believe it is YOU who is disgracing fallen troops by trying to stifle reasonable discussion about the war.

No one is trying to underplay the great job the armed forces do in extremely difficult circumstances. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with a view of the administration which took us into the war.

You have been fed the line that arguing against the war is anti the troops in Iraq. These two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive. One can (obviously!) support the troops and yet be vehomently against the war.

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....twin, FWIW....

The ability (or lack of it) for many to make the distinction that you've noted is not new.

We haven't even come close to the divisiveness that this issue caused during the Vietnam War era in the US.

It's truly sad how many people see things in such a 'black & white' manner.

....My country, right or wrong.

....Love it or leave it.

....You're either with me or against me.

All the above are the rhetoric of those who choose not to exercise synapse action within their own cranium.

...Ignolance is briss.

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

canis582 02-23-2006 09:41 AM

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Our attempts to stifle democracy in Iraq have failed...Now they are telling our diplomats to buzz off.

By my calculations, this war will cost about $1 trillion when it is all said and done. That is 1/12th of our yearly GDP...and a lot of it went into the pockets of Bush's and Cheney's friends. Then we wonder why there is no money left to help people out when their city is destroyed.

Plus gas prices went up, not down because of the war. I thought for sure they'd go down.

We better be building some solid military bases in that country.

canis582 02-23-2006 09:45 AM

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Why does that cartograph of yours blow up states entirely blue that were in fact very closely divided and in many cases only tipped to the blue side because of one or several large cities? Seems like a mischaracterization of at least several of the states as a whole.

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It makes Ohio and Florida big too. I don't think anyone in Ohio will ever vote republican again after what those dirty neocons did to the state's pension fund.

Riddick 02-23-2006 09:45 AM

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This kind of argument is sickening. I actually believe it is YOU who is disgracing fallen troops by trying to stifle reasonable discussion about the war.


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You are sickening. I am not a proponent of the war in Iraq, and Pinky's OP was the farthest thing from a reasonable discussion about the Iraq war as it gets.

Myrtle 02-23-2006 09:55 AM

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This kind of argument is sickening. I actually believe it is YOU who is disgracing fallen troops by trying to stifle reasonable discussion about the war.


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You are sickening. I am not a proponent of the war in Iraq, and Pinky's OP was the farthest thing from a reasonable discussion about the Iraq war as it gets.

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It was the OP's opinion, and the starting point for a discussion.

The only reason you find it 'sickening' is because you don't agree with it.

Your intolerance of other peoples opinions is exceeded only by the lack of surety of your own.........

evil twin 02-23-2006 09:57 AM

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You are sickening.

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You are welcome to your view.

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I am not a proponent of the war in Iraq, and Pinky's OP was the farthest thing from a reasonable discussion about the Iraq war as it gets.

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It was a statement of opinion. Opinions create debate. Blanket statements like "you can't say that stuff without disgracing the troops" attempt to stifle debate.

As Myrtle pointed out, it's an example of the False Dilemma. If you can avoid the False Dilemma in future your points will carry more weight.

canis582 02-23-2006 10:53 AM

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http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/...inearlarge.png

timotheeeee 02-23-2006 11:47 AM

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So, no WMD

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None found. Be specific.

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Over a $100 or maybe $200 billion blown already,

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It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.

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about 2200 soldiers killed

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Marines aren't soldiers, but you've already indicated you really don't have much of a clue.

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many more maimed and missing limbs

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering

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who knows how many thousands of Iraqis killed

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Again, you have no clue.

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Bin Laden still free

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Explain in detail why he is still free, proving you have a clue regarding military search and recon operations (I'll expect you to demonstrate your military expertise and experience, specifically special forces operations that are being employed to hunt down OBL) otherwise STFU

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crappy infrastructure

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Huh? What do you even mean by this?

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insurgents having the luxury of taking potshots

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Quite the opposite. Our Marine/Recon snipers in Fallujah have the luxury of taking the pot shots. It is more of a final moment for the insurgents.

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every soldier in Iraq is one soldier not in Afghanistan hunting OBL

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We would not have 150,000 troops in Afghanistan. There's that "no clue what you're talking about" thing again.

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Biggest BS ever.

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People running their mouths without a clue is the biggest BS ever.

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Besides people with a financial interest (defense contractors) supporting Bush, are the other Bush supporters just retarded?

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All of that red space below is "retarded". I suggest you move to Canada.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/poli...map-final2.gif

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All of this does seem starkly at odds with "I'm totally against war because of Murray Rothbard," and calling Canis' grandmother a war-monger for working in the factories during WWII. His complaints were valid, if a little off (the numbers were actually worse than he posted) and ineloquently put.

It seems to me is that you're trying to be more anarchist but a little unwilling to give up that side of you that loves conservative partisan politics. If you actually want to follow Rothbard, then give up whatever emotional ties you have with the state. If you end up joining the Marines (for, let's be honest, one of the lamest reasons to join them; because your daddy joined them) you'll just be another "I'm a libertarian because taxes are the work of jackbooted thugs, but I don't mind them when they benefit me" poseur. Plus, that would make you an unabashed hypocrite for accusing an 88 year old woman of war-mongering because she once worked the factories in an effort that she saw was to help end the spread of genocidal fascism in Europe. And, obviously, it would make you an actual war-monger.

morphball 02-23-2006 01:18 PM

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This is by far the among the worst replies I have seen...unless you are being sarcastic

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Over a $100 or maybe $200 billion blown already,

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It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.


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A trillion is over $200 billion, and I know what I am talking about

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about 2200 soldiers killed



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Marines aren't soldiers, but you've already indicated you really don't have much of a clue.

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How exactly are people trained in warfare and sent to fight not soldiers? Or are you just some leatherneck who says a "marine is a marine and not a soldier?"

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many more maimed and missing limbs



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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering


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More stupidity here...Casualties

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Explain in detail why he is still free, proving you have a clue regarding military search and recon operations (I'll expect you to demonstrate your military expertise and experience, specifically special forces operations that are being employed to hunt down OBL) otherwise STFU

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How about the fact that OBL was surrounded in Tora Bora and GW outsourced the task to Afghan warlords so that he could get those rangers in Iraq shining lasers on targets for bombs... or should I STFU too?

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insurgents having the luxury of taking potshots



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Quite the opposite. Our Marine/Recon snipers in Fallujah have the luxury of taking the pot shots. It is more of a final moment for the insurgents.


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Glad to hear that Iraq is only Falluja, and this is a stupid comment. The insurgents are taking pot shots, except they're using bombs instead of rifles.

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All of that red space below is "retarded".

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Finally something I can agree with. Remember how the fear of terror was how GW saved his ass in the last election? Why is that any place the terrorists would attack voted blue? "Oh jeesus, maw, OBL is gonna blow up ma cows" How about the fact that the blue areas are more educated and earn more (another sign of intelligence)? How about the fact that the red areas believe that creationism should be taught as a science? Yeah red is retarded...completely agree with you here.

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I suggest you move to Canada.

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I wish people with your mindeset would get the out of the country too.

pooh74 02-23-2006 04:31 PM

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If you really care, then prove it or else stop disgracing fallen troops by politicizing their suffering

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This kind of argument is sickening. I actually believe it is YOU who is disgracing fallen troops by trying to stifle reasonable discussion about the war.

No one is trying to underplay the great job the armed forces do in extremely difficult circumstances. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with a view of the administration which took us into the war.

You have been fed the line that arguing against the war is anti the troops in Iraq. These two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive. One can (obviously!) support the troops and yet be vehomently against the war.

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I'm actually in a distinct minority in that I support the war, but not the troops.

-Bill Hicks

Riddick 02-23-2006 05:57 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
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All of this does seem starkly at odds with "I'm totally against war because of Murray Rothbard," and calling Canis' grandmother a war-monger for working in the factories during WWII.

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Two counts of missed sarcasm.

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His complaints were valid, if a little off (the numbers were actually worse than he posted) and ineloquently put.


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Forget that they were not ineloquent. They were idiotic. Every one troop in Iraq is a troop that would be in Afghanistan? Or the idiot claim that we haven't found OBL yet because we outsourced the job to Afghan warlords? (which OP didn't make but rather what some others clambored in to make with their "expert" military analysis)

terp 02-23-2006 06:37 PM

Re: Iraq war is the biggest BS ever
 
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http://images.usatoday.com/news/poli...map-final2.gif

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thank you for the colorful image. this sort of display plays to the idea that geographic expanse correlates to political importance. because more of the country is depicted in red, in other words, it obviously follows that this is the predominant mindset.

you could have represented that the majority of American voters cast votes for W numerically; he earned 51% of the popular vote. instead, you chose to express it this way. your means harks back to the early days of "representative" government in America, when property-owning white males were privileged to participate.

you are not the first to express, implicitly or explicitly, that those inhabiting the vast rural expanse deserve extra political power. even the founders subscribed to this view. note the makeup of the US senate. however, i have found that most who still advance the view that America's urban centers have too much political clout tend to be somewhat racist. at the very least, they are anti-democratic. one person, one vote has been settled constitutional law in the US for four decades.


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