TT > JJ ?
 

HU - PF
J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] vs A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] - 19.36%
T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] vs A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] - 19.77%

Can you tell me why TT>JJ ??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I have use it:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem

I have one idea.
TT will make one more straight then JJ (JQKAx - is impossible)

Re: TT > JJ ?
 

give me JJ over TT all day ... something has to be wrong lol

Re: TT > JJ ?
 

This belongs to the Probability forum.

Yes, TT makes one more straight and makes more straight without the ace.

The post topic should read "TT > JJ vs AA?".

Re: TT > JJ ?
 

Just out of curiousity why does 8,8 have the best % chance against A,A.

Re: TT > JJ ?
 

straights

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Just out of curiousity why does 8,8 have the best % chance against A,A.

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Eights, Sevens, and Sixes all can make the same number of straights against AA, but Eights are less easily counterfitted. For example, on a 87776 board, 88 beats AA, but 66 loses.

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So to OP, think about this. You must think that KQ > AK because KQ has better equity over AA than AK does.

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Just out of curiousity why does 8,8 have the best % chance against A,A.

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Eights, Sevens, and Sixes all can make the same number of straights against AA, but Eights are less easily counterfitted. For example, on a 87776 board, 88 beats AA, but 66 loses.

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But 99 makes the same number of straights as 88, so what gives there?

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But 99 makes the same number of straights as 88, so what gives there?

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99 looses the broadway straight

Re: TT > JJ ?
 

That's interesting.

Sure qk is better than AK against AA because you have 2 live cards.

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I'd still prefer the AA...

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.803% 79.68% 00.13% 1364288 2185.00 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 20.197% 20.07% 00.13% 343646 2185.00 { 8c8d }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.801% 79.66% 00.14% 1363968 2471.00 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 20.199% 20.05% 00.14% 343394 2471.00 { 6c6d }

66 > 88 vs AA

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Just because I can't be bothered to look myself and its along the same lines, does anyone know which 2 cards would statistically have the best % chance against A,A.

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.015% 22.87% 00.15% 4620772 29797.50 { 8d7d }
Hand 1: 76.985% 76.85% 00.15% 15526442 29797.50 { AhAs }

78 suited would have the best chance

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But, that assuming one of the aces doesnt share one of your 78 suites

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.100% 77.93% 00.19% 10920796 26525.50 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 21.900% 21.71% 00.19% 3043224 26526.50 { 8d7d }

Re: TT > JJ ?
 

I think 87s and 76s have the same and best chances against AA

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That's it - 78s is THE NUTS
I'm pushing this pf every time from now on.

Thanks guys.