TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

Early on in the Stars $1k, I have been fairly active raising and such but have only showed down strength and slowplayed a flopped str8 against mig a little bit ago. Then comes this hand where I am really unsure how to play it, although in retrospect I don't mind how I played it.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) WPThero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">WPThero raises to t150</font>, 5 folds, Button calls t150 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>, 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t375, 2 players)
WPThero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t375, 2 players)
WPThero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets t250</font>, WPThero calls t250 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t625)</font>.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t875, 2 players)
WPThero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets t650</font>, WPThero calls t650 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1525)</font>.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

On the river I am turning my hand into a bluff catcher but with how much I have underrepresented my hand I don't think thats a terrible thing.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

Isn't your hand pretty transperant on the river here? I guess thats an argument for calling..

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

this is good vs mig

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Isn't your hand pretty transperant on the river here? I guess thats an argument for calling..

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That alone isn't an argument for calling or folding. It's an argument for doing whatever villain expects us not to do.

2nd Edit (kept misreading hand): I think this is correct against basically anyone.

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Isn't your hand pretty transparent on the river here?

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FWIW I totally disagree with this statement.

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Isn't your hand pretty transparent on the river here?

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FWIW I totally disagree with this statement.

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really? what else do you do this with?

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

spade draws like AQ, AJ, AT, and TT, JJ and maybe some random super strong hands like KK and 88 as our previous history I c/c'd the nuts till the river so I would have c'd the river here too with a boat and let him fire.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

very good nh.

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No C-bet on the frop?

I would think he would bet the flop with a K (including AK), especially with the spade draw out there. I think we can exclude most of those hands from his range.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

I feel like betting that flop can only get me in trouble here and blow myself off my hand.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

yah c-betting there vs mig just means you going to have to call some huge river bets.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

I think its good he rarely has a 9 or K. I can see him 2 firing again on the river with any PP

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I'm just a random low stakes donkey, but wouldn't a c/r on the river be best given your history in order to fold out KT/KJ/KQish Type hands? He's obviously not folding a 9, but I think he might fold a weaker King in this spot, so you would catch his bluff and fold out some better hands?

Bad idea? ^^

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I'm just a random low stakes donkey, but wouldn't a c/r on the river be best given your history in order to fold out KT/KJ/KQish Type hands? He's obviously not folding a 9, but I think he might fold a weaker King in this spot, so you would catch his bluff and fold out some better hands?

Bad idea? ^^

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Yea because he knows with my line I *likely* can't beat a K. The main thrust here is that I think he is firing ATC here on the river.

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I'm just a random low stakes donkey, but wouldn't a c/r on the river be best given your history in order to fold out KT/KJ/KQish Type hands? He's obviously not folding a 9, but I think he might fold a weaker King in this spot, so you would catch his bluff and fold out some better hands?

Bad idea? ^^

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Yea because he knows with my line I *likely* can't beat a K. The main thrust here is that I think he is firing ATC here on the river.

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And you're probably right. I don't mind playing it this way out of position, except I wonder what happens on a pot overbet on the river.

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Isn't your hand pretty transperant on the river here? I guess thats an argument for calling..

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where do you get transparent from ?

OP, ever play AA like this ?

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

Stack sizes? i think that's pretty important no?!

Generally seems fine to me tho.

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What was your plan if he bet the flop? Call and evaluate?

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What was your plan if he bet the flop? Call and evaluate?

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Gavin,
Yea plan was to c/c flop and then reeval on turn.

Re: stack sizes
I had 7k he had 3200 or so

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

It's been so long I don't remember how mig plays but, there's not a lot you beat on the river. 88? AQ? That's about it, no?

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

DDB,

Any hand he wants to bluff with?

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What was your plan if he bet the flop? Call and evaluate?

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Gavin,
Yea plan was to c/c flop and then reeval on turn.

Re: stack sizes
I had 7k he had 3200 or so

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Yeah, I like this line once he checks the flop.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

I like your line. The only problem is mig runs so hot he's probably got 77.

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What was your plan if he bet the flop? Call and evaluate?

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Gavin,
Yea plan was to c/c flop and then reeval on turn.

Re: stack sizes
I had 7k he had 3200 or so

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Yeah, I like this line once he checks the flop.

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agree but this is one of my most hesitant spots

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Isn't your hand pretty transperant on the river here? I guess thats an argument for calling..

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no

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Against what types of players do we draw the line at CB'ing here OOP?

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Against what types of players do we draw the line at CB'ing here OOP?

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don't think it terms of a single action (eg c-betting). think about how the hand plays if you take different actions, and decide what is the best approach

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

Mig is very very aggressive and probably knows you have TT by how you've played the hand so he is capable of making this play without TT alot to win the pot. Also, his line looks like a good way to play AK for pot control although I often bet flop, check behind turn and valuetown river. You probably have to call just because mig is too aggressive sometimes though. If he has a 9 I am pretty sure he bets the flop, right? I just think mig has air or AK here every time.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

randal i think if he is good, you are constricting his value betting range way too much and also leaving out some hands that he clearly can have that aren't thin value bets at all. he's gotta have at least kq/qq some non-zero % as well as 8T, 66, 77. i definitely agree he can have AK though. i guess you just have to try and figure out what he's got based on timing bet sizing and general read.

Re: TT vs mig.com in Stars 1k
 

Sorry for the hijack but if anyone knows how to get in touch with mig.com please shoot me a PM. Nothing scandalous, spamish, or scamish, just want to extend an invitation to a local home game he may not be aware of. TIA