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Villain is
30/21/4 through good sample - no other reads than that

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $401.90
Hero (BB): $502.40
UTG: $134.60
CO: $399.80
BTN: $394.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $12.00</font>, CO calls $12.00, BTN calls $12.00, <font color="red">SB raises to $64.00</font>, Hero calls $60.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($164) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $124.00</font>, Hero calls $124.00

Turn: ($412) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB insta shoves all-in for $213.90</font>, Hero.....

Normally I muck here, but villain seemed a bit lag. What are thoughts on making a small 4bet pf to about 150? Is that terrible?

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shove preflop, as played call or fold flop.

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Ewww @ shoving pre.

Easy flop push.

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Ewww @ shoving pre.

Easy flop push.

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shoving QQ preflop online pretty much can never be bad. AK might even fold and if so, that is a huge coup.

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i dont think you're ahead here

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i never fold here against a villian with those numbers, if i have a standard tag image.
if you are a nit, fold.

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I like how you played it, call turn.

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NH. now call

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As played I would call especially if the is laggier. Also, if he is LAG pushing pre cannot be too bad.

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calls!

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wtf instacall

edit: move to bbv

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the only range i see that SB could have been on to beat you would be KK or AA, maybe 88?

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Ewww @ shoving pre.

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shoving QQ preflop online pretty much can never be bad. AK might even fold and if so, that is a huge coup.

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i don't think he folds AK very often cause he's getting decent pot odds and our hand looks a lot like AK. i think he will fold TT, maybe JJ, so not a lot of value for us.

i like the op's line as long as he called push.

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Ewww @ shoving pre.

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shoving QQ preflop online pretty much is always bad. AK might even fold and if so, that is a huge coup.

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Shove pf

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I'd say ez turn fold. WA/WB on flop, and now looks like you're wayy behind.

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call, move on. i think that calling flop with the intention of folding a blank turn is nasty. shoving flop doesnt look so bad either.

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i prefer the call preflop instead of pushing. i would push the flop, but as played call the turn, your gettin nice odds and insta shove from villian suggest weakness

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I'd call, look at his inferior hand and laugh

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about 1/3 of the times he's got AA/KK and I go OMG I'M SO STUPID I SHOULD HAVE RE-RERAISED PREFLOP SO I COULD FOLD TO A PUSH! (Not that I WOULD, but I get a bit tilted when I get it in with the worst of it)

He most likely got 99-JJ, maybe even a hand like 77 and maybe even two overcards, but he figure he is so deep he got to go with his hand. (Based on his stats, and how ppl tend to do strange plays with AA/KK)

EDIT: I'd expect a check/all in on turn with AA/KK more often than not, and a push more often than not with any other overpair. That's what i meant with "strange plays". If he checks turn I check behind 100% and hope for a Q. Also I often see AK here. I think the human mind sometimes go "WTF, I HAVE AK, WHY DON'T U FOLD??!?!" and this is one of those situations if he got AK.

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Doesn't villain know exactly what hero has, by his play so far? It's almost always going to be QQ/JJ probably weighted towards QQ here, and yet villain is still shoving. Isn't this AA/KK/AKdd/AQdd like 90% of the time?

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I like how you played it, call turn.

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I think u give villain way too much credit. You saw his stats? I don't think villain even considers what we might have...

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noone can seriously consider folding the turn here against villian with stats can they? trivial call imo. villian can be value shoving JJ-99, not to mention that he has AK-AQ and even some sc's and random bluffs a decent percentage of the time. his pf range is huge given the action. it was a perfect spot for a squeeze preflop and your hand looks so much like a medium pp that the villian could very likely be trying to move you off it with nothing.

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i hate a 4b pre vs a lag since he will just muck the air.
call the turn

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Normally I muck here, but villain seemed a bit lag. What are thoughts on making a small 4bet pf to about 150? Is that terrible?

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I am not really a fan of this as it kind of turns your hand into a bluff.

Tough spot on the turn, I prob grit my teeth and call. But I am not that happy about it

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call, move on. i think that calling flop with the intention of folding a blank turn is nasty. shoving flop doesnt look so bad either.

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instacall

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i honestly think you can fold... heh.

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i honestly think you can fold... heh.

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call, move on. i think that calling flop with the intention of folding a blank turn is nasty. shoving flop doesnt look so bad either.

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I like how you played it, call turn.

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Shove pf

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wtf instacall

edit: move to bbv

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NH. now call

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you suck.

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results, callllllll