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2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

Ive literally tried to move up 3 str8 times now and got completely crushed in 2/4 NL. I really have no idea what my problem is as i really do not think they play much better than 1/2.

Ive ran at about 7-9 ptBB at 1/2 for more than 6 months and have had a few different times in there where i have tried to move up and gotten killed everyone.

I run at about 22/14/2.5. am i to tight for 2/4? the latest swing was -4k today in 1200 hands... are you fking kidding me? Im beginning to think im destined to be at 1/2NL for the rest of my life.

Any advice possible from any of you regulars?

or just berate if you would like..

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

ill post the asskickings from today and see if it helps

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

mind you some of these are definately tilt related...

******* Hand 1 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1023.95
CO: $409.65
Button: $247.40
Hero: $820.60
BB: $777.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $16, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($52, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $42, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($136, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $100, Hero raises to $350, UTG raises all-in $965.95, Hero calls all-in $412.6.
Uncalled bets: $203.35 returned to UTG.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1661.2, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1661.2)

Results:
Final pot: $1661.2
Hero Shows 6d 6s
UTG Shows 7d 7c

******* Hand 2 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $709.89
UTG+1: $441.50
CO: $400.30
Hero: $531.30
SB: $1114.85
BB: $245.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $16, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $28, CO calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($94, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $77, CO raises to $177, Hero raises to $486, CO calls all-in $179.3.
Uncalled bets: $129.7 returned to Hero.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($806.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $806.6)

Results:
Final pot: $806.6

******* Hand 3 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200.40
UTG+1: $394
CO: $1004
Button: $514.80
SB: $203.40
Hero: $800

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $12, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $36, UTG+1 raises to $100, Hero raises all-in $788, UTG calls all-in $152.4, UTG+1 calls all-in $282.
Uncalled bets: $406 returned to Hero.

Turn: : ($796.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $603.2, Sidepot 1: $387.2)

River: : ($796.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $603.2, Sidepot 1: $387.2)

Results:
Final pot: $796.8

******* Hand 4 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1817.75
UTG+1: $466.10
CO: $598.65
Button: $171.80
Hero: $774.80
BB: $971.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $48, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $116, Hero raises to $772, UTG+1 calls all-in $350.1.
Uncalled bets: $421.9 returned to Hero.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($704.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $704.2)

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($704.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $704.2)

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($704.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $704.2)

Results:
Final pot: $704.2

******* Hand 5 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG+1: $466.1
UTG: $365.19
CO: $577.90
Button: $412.40
Hero: $588.60
BB: $318.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to $16, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($32, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises to $116, Hero raises all-in $572.6, BB calls all-in $186.5.
Uncalled bets: $270.1 returned to Hero.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($637, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $637)

Results:
Final pot: $637

******* Hand 6 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $262
UTG+1: $926.30
CO: $305.85
Hero: $788
SB: $208.90
BB: $230.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($28, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $52, Hero raises to $744, SB calls all-in $144.9.
Uncalled bets: $547.1 returned to Hero.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($421.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421.8)

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($421.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421.8)

Results:
Final pot: $421.8

******* Hand 7 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $208.9
BB: $230.8
UTG: $800
Button: $828.70
Hero: $802
BB: $307.20

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $16, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($84, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $60, Hero raises to $120, UTG raises to $240, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $120 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $324

******* Hand 8 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $549.30
UTG+1: $420.40
Hero: $524.20
Button: $119
SB: $142.60
BB: $360.19

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, Button calls, SB raises to $48, BB folds, Hero raises all-in $524.2, Button folds, SB calls all-in $94.6.
Uncalled bets: $381.6 returned to Hero.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $301.2)

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $301.2)

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($32, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $301.2)

Results:
Final pot: $32

******* Hand 9 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $453.70
UTG+1: $499.15
CO: $307.80
Hero: $817.10
SB: $779.60
BB: $1837.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $16, SB calls, BB calls, CO folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($52, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $38, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($128, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $88, SB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($304, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $304

******* Hand 10 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $205.40
Hero: $800
CO: $88.70
Button: $394
SB: $1006
BB: $536.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises to $20, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($66, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $44, CO raises all-in $68.7, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($203.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $203.4)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($203.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $203.4)

Results:
Final pot: $203.4

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

7 is the only one that doesn't look completely standard to me. i'm assuming this is what you meant when you said some hands are tilt-induced. i'm sure you understand now that it's terrible

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

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there is a pretty simple solution to this

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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7 is the only one that doesn't look completely standard to me. i'm assuming this is what you meant when you said some hands are tilt-induced. i'm sure you understand now that it's terrible

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ya im not sure WTF i was doing there at all, is the turn a bet/fold?

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

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there is a pretty simple solution to this

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which is? just to 3 - bet more?

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

Fire 2nd barrels.

On another note, I know it's standard to buyin 200bb at Absolute, but maybe you should just play w/ 100bb for a bit.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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7 is the only one that doesn't look completely standard to me. i'm assuming this is what you meant when you said some hands are tilt-induced. i'm sure you understand now that it's terrible

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ya im not sure WTF i was doing there at all, is the turn a bet/fold?

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c/c, c/feel

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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Fire 2nd barrels.

On another note, I know it's standard to buyin 200bb at Absolute, but maybe you should just play w/ 100bb for a bit.

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and also with the firing second barrels in a 3bet pot, your pretty much all in with $400

ive been doing that most of time, i bought in for 800 for some of the time today after i was getting hammered by idiots

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

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there is a pretty simple solution to this

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which is? just to 3 - bet more?

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if you're getting floated and called a lot and they're profiting from it, then you want a stronger range. in order to have a stronger range, you should 3-bet less hands. a large part of the reason you 3-bet 75s sometimes is to get action when you have AA. if you're getting excess action with the 75s hands then you should play less of them

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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Fire 2nd barrels.

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firing 2nd barrels is only good if you know when you should be firing 2nd barrels. not firing many second barrels if you're not sure when to fire second barrels will not cost one much money. and furthermore, firing second barrels if you know when to fire second barrels, will only cost you money if you're not sure what rivers to fire 3rd barrels on

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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Fire 2nd barrels.

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firing 2nd barrels is only good if you know when you should be firing 2nd barrels. not firing many second barrels if you're not sure when to fire second barrels will not cost one much money. and furthermore, firing second barrels if you know when to fire second barrels, will only cost you money if you're not sure what rivers to fire 3rd barrels on

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w/ 100bb one need not worry about a third barrel [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

anyone else have comments on the hands so i can figure out whats going on

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

You have no fold equity in 6, 7 is obviously bad. 1 and 2 are just bad beats. Seems like you just ran bad.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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You have no fold equity in 6, 7 is obviously bad. 1 and 2 are just bad beats. Seems like you just ran bad.

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i get that but this is like 3 st8 times on 10k hands where its been like this, i HAVE to be doing something wrong

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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You have no fold equity in 6, 7 is obviously bad. 1 and 2 are just bad beats. Seems like you just ran bad.

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he has a double gutter in 6. definitely worth getting it in for 30 bb or so

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Fire 2nd barrels.

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firing 2nd barrels is only good if you know when you should be firing 2nd barrels. not firing many second barrels if you're not sure when to fire second barrels will not cost one much money. and furthermore, firing second barrels if you know when to fire second barrels, will only cost you money if you're not sure what rivers to fire 3rd barrels on

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w/ 100bb one need not worry about a third barrel [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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Fire 2nd barrels.

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firing 2nd barrels is only good if you know when you should be firing 2nd barrels. not firing many second barrels if you're not sure when to fire second barrels will not cost one much money. and furthermore, firing second barrels if you know when to fire second barrels, will only cost you money if you're not sure what rivers to fire 3rd barrels on

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w/ 100bb one need not worry about a third barrel [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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?

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pretty obvious what i said i thought at least...
i recommended playing w/ 100bb and firing more 2nd barrels (wqhich would be allin usually)

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

i had trouble moving up at first to....on ftp. But tbh, the 2/4 game on ftp is incredibly soft. And no you dont have to play a more aggressive style to be successful at 2/4. I switch between 17/14/4 to 20/17/4 and have been pretty successful. As for firing second barrels - firing second barrels does in no way commit urself to the pot. If u ran that well at 1/2 u should have no problem at 2/4.

Don't feel like you have to change your game when you move up stakes - it looks like you're just running bad (Altho i dont like 22/14/2 style at all fwiw)

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

DaCooler,

Coming from another Absolute regular, when I played with you, you were too predictable imo. A little too tight, a little too passive. Granted, I haven't played with you in awhile.

Also, at the 2/4 games, most of the money isn't made from the other regs, its from crushing the loose passives, maniacs and fish. If you can beat them and avoid marginal confrontations with the regs, you should be fine.

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i had trouble moving up at first to....on ftp. But tbh, the 2/4 game on ftp is incredibly soft. And no you dont have to play a more aggressive style to be successful at 2/4. I switch between 17/14/4 to 20/17/4 and have been pretty successful. As for firing second barrels - firing second barrels does in no way commit urself to the pot. If u ran that well at 1/2 u should have no problem at 2/4.

Don't feel like you have to change your game when you move up stakes - it looks like you're just running bad (Altho i dont like 22/14/2 style at all fwiw)

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that is helpful, i just play on absolute and the games get slow at 2/4 sometimes and there are a lot of regs, but this is the 3rd time now that ive "run bad trying to move up" i guess im wondering when im going to run good FFS

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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Fire 2nd barrels.

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firing 2nd barrels is only good if you know when you should be firing 2nd barrels. not firing many second barrels if you're not sure when to fire second barrels will not cost one much money. and furthermore, firing second barrels if you know when to fire second barrels, will only cost you money if you're not sure what rivers to fire 3rd barrels on

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w/ 100bb one need not worry about a third barrel [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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pretty obvious what i said i thought at least...
i recommended playing w/ 100bb and firing more 2nd barrels (wqhich would be allin usually)

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didnt realize you were talking about 3-bet pots. thought you just emant to fire 2nd barrels in general

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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DaCooler,

Coming from another Absolute regular, when I played with you, you were too predictable imo. A little too tight, a little too passive. Granted, I haven't played with you in awhile.

Also, at the 2/4 games, most of the money isn't made from the other regs, its from crushing the loose passives, maniacs and fish. If you can beat them and avoid marginal confrontations with the regs, you should be fine.

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whats your screename and how long ago were we playign together?

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

TRADEBYDAY. I think you know me and probably don't like me.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

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TRADEBYDAY. I think you know me and probably don't like me.

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no i thought you were a good player and not an ass as far as i can remember. Im def. more aggressive than when we played but what would you suggest for making myself less predictable?

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

Raise a wider range. Fire two barrels more. The reason I probably think you are predictable is because I've read some of your posts and have a pretty good idea of what your range is in certain situations.

Also, the trick with 2/4+ is table selection, table selection, table selection. I'll often find myself at tables where its 2 lag/tags, two nit/rocks, myself and one like 32/8 and realize what a waste of my time sitting there is.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

When i played 1-2, playign fairly straightforward is going to win a steady profit. i have recently been playign 2-4 on FTP, where u are constantly getting 3 betted by people with position on you and are constantly getting floated especially in sb vs bb battles. All Ive done to combat this is play tighter in ep and looser (and much more aggressive in 3 betting) in LP, and then play much trickier postflop when i feel Im being floated. I mean lots of times its pretty obvious when ur being floated. So you can do lots of tricky things like calling a raise postflop of ur continuation bet and then leading the turn, or check raising the turn or checkraising the flop instead of continuation betting. And Im talking about doing this with air, and the goods. its kinda a feel thing, but something that happens with experience. Maybe try to play less tables if you play a lot, and focus more on the plays ur making. Then once you get comfortable with how the game is veing played, and have put in thousands of hands at a good winning rate, then add some tables. A lot of moving up levels is just adjusting to player tendencies, and at 2-4 the game is significalntly more aggressive especially pre flop and aldso much trickier postflop. Also make sure you datamine for a while b4 you move up again to get a good feel for player tendencies

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

ur stats are ok vs 2/4... but I'd say 2/4 is when a lot of players should be adjusting their game. People need to be a LOT more aggro (AF of around 4), and rele need to develop adapting to how tight or loose a table is, much more than a 1/2 or .50/1 game IMO. 2/4 is very tough to beat, just if I were you I would take a daily shot, and if you lose two buyins, leave and come back the next day. I would recommend, due to how aggressive the 2/4 game is, the swings are so massive $12k+ roll is definitely best. U will have to get used to how loose people are in and out of position, and their reraising/calling reraise ranges are significantly wider than before, and people will play back at you and give you no respect. Don't get fancy or try to outplay people too much, and follow the other directions, and u'll do fine.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

get off absolute asap. games started out amazing, and have declined so badly within the last 2 months.

too many good regulars to make it worth while.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

oh yes, expect massive swings too. 4k swings at 2/4 are not uncommon.

Re: 2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

lol @ trying to change your style in order to reach certain numbers... there is no magic AF of 4, many good players are anywhere from 2.5-5

There are also certainly winners that play your somewhat passive style preflop, but they are rarer than winners playing a bit more of an aggressive preflop game.

Also, i just looked at the first few of the hands you posted and they are all coolers/unavoidable/running bad.

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I dont know what to do then, because seriously this has been 15-25K hands in 3 seperate instances of running like this.. I lost 4K today at 2/4 which was my single biggest loss in a day and im kind of realing from it, i had 19k on line so it wasnt like it destroyed me but still kicked me pretty hard. What im really thinking is that there are enough 1/2 NL games on AP to make it profitable but after than there are usually only 2-6 2/4 NL games going on during the day full of regulars...

Maybe i should put some $ on FT or something if i want to try 2/4

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Also, i just looked at the first few of the hands you posted and they are all coolers/unavoidable/running bad.

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dacooler, i have you down playing 24/13/1.5 which too loose/passive. tighten up your game.
i remember you playing pretty well regardless.

what do all the AP regulars think of cascade whitey's game?
i cant comprehend how he is a winning player with his numbers (22/6/.8) but he manages to be one of the biggest winners.
guess hes just a very good hand reader.

what did you guys think of my game? im done on ap, so feel free to flame.
im a 5ptbb/100 winner over 70 000 hands on ap between 1/2 and 3/6.

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get off absolute asap. games started out amazing, and have declined so badly within the last 2 months.

too many good regulars to make it worth while.

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Still very possible to win and win big, but I too have noticed a large influx of "regulars."

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dacooler, i have you down playing 24/13/1.5 which too loose/passive. tighten up your game.
i remember you playing pretty well regardless.

what do all the AP regulars think of cascade whitey's game?
i cant comprehend how he is a winning player with his numbers (22/6/.8) but he manages to be one of the biggest winners.
guess hes just a very good hand reader.

what did you guys think of my game? im done on ap, so feel free to flame.
im a 5ptbb/100 winner over 70 000 hands on ap between 1/2 and 3/6.

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I have wondered the very same thing about him, hard to figure out... but he wins, i remember playing against him alot at 1/2, he never really scared me but now he seems to be doing well multiabling higher.

what was your screename? where are you now?? how is it?

What do you think of the idea of putting say 4k on FT and play strictly 2/4 NL there and keep playing 1/2 on AP as im winning 8 ptbb/100.