5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

PokerStars Game #10599998037: 5 Card Draw Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/06/24 - 16:30:34 (ET)
Table 'Clementina II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Top Ute ($37 in chips)
Seat 2: herley ($30.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 4: DirtPimp ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 5: pleather ($34.50 in chips)
Seat 6: SlowHandAce ($51.25 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.50
DirtPimp: posts big blind $1
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd Qs Qc 2s 2h]
pleather: raises $1 to $2
SlowHandAce: folds
Top Ute: folds
herley: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $3
DirtPimp: folds
pleather: calls $1
Hero: discards 1 card [Kd]
Dealt to Hero [Qs Qc 2s 2h] [2c]
pleather: discards 1 card
Hero: bets $2
pleather: raises $2 to $4
Hero: calls $2

Is this call a dumb call? Can I really beat anything here?

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

Wow I must really suck if this call is wrong cause I would raise here all day every day unless I knew villain was some kind of super-ultra-nit.

EDIT: Oops, I misread the hand. Thought it was queens up, not deuces. I call. Badugi or TT probably have a thing or two to say tho.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

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Badugi or TT probably have a thing or two to say tho.

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Maybe someone who actually plays high draw, too. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I don't think you have a threebet here, but you definitely have a call. Might be a made flush draw, might be trips.

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I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise.

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And wich trips do you think he calls the 3-bet with Pre-draw and now re-raises (and call the 3-bet) post draw? Why 3 bet? I don't think anything weaker calls.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

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I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise.

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And wich trips do you think he calls the 3-bet with Pre-draw and now re-raises (and call the 3-bet) post draw? Why 3 bet? I don't think anything weaker calls.

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Valid point. Unless he really falls in love with 2 big pair and an ace or something.

I think your reasoning here is good.

So what happened? I wanna knooooow [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

Have you been aggro from the blinds? Not sure about the range for trips.

Edit: I also have no idea what to do if he fourbets post-draw.

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I suck, but I'd put villain on trips pre-draw taking 1 to disguise his hand. You improved and he probably bricked. Re-raise.

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And wich trips do you think he calls the 3-bet with Pre-draw and now re-raises (and call the 3-bet) post draw? Why 3 bet? I don't think anything weaker calls.

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Valid point. Unless he really falls in love with 2 big pair and an ace or something.

I think your reasoning here is good.

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I also like the way I think [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Here is the hand outcome:
Hero: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pleather: shows [Ad 9s Ac 9h As] (a full house, Aces full of Nines)
Hero: mucks hand
pleather collected $14.50 from pot

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

Call, he can have a made draw.

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Hmm, this is not my day when it comes to 2 pair vs 2 pair. Just happend agin. A person raies, I 3-bet with QQ55, he draws 1, I hit a 5, he check, I bet, he raises, I call and he shows JJJ33 :S

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Call, he can have a made draw.

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Oh really? How often do you raise with a draw?

Given the possibility of 2 pr/trips there, a call is justified.

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Call, he can have a made draw.

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Oh really? How often do you raise with a draw?


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Seriously? Some of the time.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

You have a bare call here (don't you have any notes?) since
there is a small chance this player could have a completed
draw or even a hand like AAA. You obviously can't reraise
because you need to be about a 2 to 1 favorite here, but
the most frequent hand your opponent will show you is a
boat.

On the other hand, your odds actually may not justify a
call because of the relative infrequency this player
("Pleather") will have a completed draw or AAA. Even if
you have pot odds of 4/29, I don't think this specific
player will have a completed flush or straight unless he
happened to start with a straight flush draw or decided to
break a pair of kings so you are hoping that he shows you
AAA. There aren't many straight flush draws and even fewer
king-high flush draws with a pair of kings (since you even
tossed one) and if there were no chance this player could
even have AAA (perhaps you know this player would always
cap it with AAA instead of sometimes calling), a fold does
make sense because then Pleather would be at worst, an 8-1
favorite to show you a boat or better; still, you couldn't
lose too much in the long run if you made a call even in
this case and any time you fold in a spot like this (with a
big pot) you have to be almost certain you're beat. If you
know that Pleather sometimes limps in with a straight flush
draw and never would fail to 4-bet with AAA predraw, then
you seriously have to consider folding!

Generally, you can only think of folding a full house in PL
or NL.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

I go broke on the fullhouse. I don't 3 bet queens up.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

Ok when I wrote queens up I meant queens FULL obv. Not my first language this, ok.

Re: 5cd $1/2 - Folding a full house?
 

if the only leak in your draw hi game is that you lose a couple extra bets when your full house is beat, you'll be ok.