Laying down KK on Qxx board
 

Villian is 8/2 over 400 hands. I put him on AA or KK, maybe QQ. I figured it would cost at least another $75 to see a showdown and the only hand I beat is AK or AQ and don't see him playing AQ at all and AK so aggressively. Am I too much of a nit?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $142.70
BB: $101.60
UTG: $108.75
UTG+1: $85.30
MP1: $33.70
MP2: $222.35
MP3: $189.00
Hero (CO): $207.60
BTN: $202.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $12.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.00

Flop: ($27) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $17.50</font>, Hero calls $17.50

Turn: ($62) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $35.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $97.00 ($3 Rake)

Re: Laying down KK on Qxx board
 

At first I was like wow this is terrible but then I read your opening paragraph and it's not that bad I guess. 400 hands is a pretty decent sample to gauge a players pf tendencies. I would never ever fold here but I don't think it's that bad.

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4bet preflop?

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4bet preflop?

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joke?

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I think this is good, but I probably b/f the turn anyway.

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" AK or AQ and don't see him playing AQ at all and AK so aggressively. "... imo betting betting two times abit more than half pot is not so agressive... dunno id call down i guess... allthough its close with given stats

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That is tough, I think I like your fold, I doubt I would do it but with those stats, your really not beating anything as far as I can see.

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Against an 8/2 (!) this is good. Takes a lot of discipline to lay it down though. Against normal tags/lags/etc you would not fold, would you?

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fold pf

no but seriously, this seems good

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Good fold against a player this nitty. Pretty sure he doen't 3bet AQ pre-flop and I doubt he double barrels with AK or JJ. Well played.

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I think I would call down.

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Either fold the flop or 4-bet pre.

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Thanks all.

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Sorry for the bump but 8/2 over 400 hands is pretty hilarious.

{QQ+, AK} = 2.6%
{JJ+, AKs} = 2.1%
{JJ+} = 1.8%

And that's his OPENING range. Min 3-betting range has to be exactly AA. Call and set-mine your KK. Seriously, this flop is an easy fold, let alone the turn. The difference between him playing like this and actually showing his cards is negligible.

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Villian is 8/2 over 400 hands.

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Wtf?? You find this kind of player at stars??

I fold this turn vs this guy.

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fold the flop

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fold preflop.. he raises 2% .. generally not just 3bets.. his 3bet range is KK+ and seeing as how we have KK we really lose very little by folding and lose alot by calling/raising.. foldldldldld (only time ever to fold kk prf)

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it's $5 to flop a Kball yo. i can't imagine folding pre

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fold the flop

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What about turning our hand into a bluff on the turn?

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Sorry for the bump but 8/2 over 400 hands is pretty hilarious.

{QQ+, AK} = 2.6%
{JJ+, AKs} = 2.1%
{JJ+} = 1.8%

And that's his OPENING range. Min 3-betting range has to be exactly AA. Call and set-mine your KK. Seriously, this flop is an easy fold, let alone the turn. The difference between him playing like this and actually showing his cards is negligible.

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Nice math. Call, and fold the flop. What happens if the flop comes AK7 though? Now THAT is a tough spot.

I'd be tempted to donk the flop rather than check/call. If he calls, there's a hella good chance you're beat. If he raises 97% chance you're beat.

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I haven't played a great deal of poker for a while and the game seems to have changed rather drastically. Either that or I'm being really stupid and missed something obvious.

1. Pre-flop I reraise to $40.
2. Giving a free card on this flop is horrible and a gross mistake.

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lol at 8/2

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I haven't played a great deal of poker for a while and the game seems to have changed rather drastically. Either that or I'm being really stupid and missed something obvious.

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Do you know what 8/2 means?

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It's the 8/2 bit then. What does it mean?
I can't think of anything it can mean to make my comments incorrect.

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It's the 8/2 bit then. What does it mean?
I can't think of anything it can mean to make my comments incorrect.

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8 = 8% = Voluntary Put $ in pot. The amount of times he puts money in the middle without it counting from the blinds.

2 = 2% = Preflop raise. The amount of times he actually raises before the flop.

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I see, so we are pretty sure he has pocket aces, then the right move must be to fold to his preflop raise.

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I see, so we are pretty sure he has pocket aces, then the right move must be to fold to his preflop raise.

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No, we go set-mining. I recommend the 'micro-limits' or 'beginner' forums. Take as much offense with that as you like.

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What do we do if we hit a K on flop? Say, flop is K93 rainbow. Do we c/c flop, c/r turn?

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lol nice hand. yeah this is nitty and i wouldnt have done it but i guess you should have folded the flop given read.