Floor!!!
 

so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game. Im playing every hand for fun and making it known im willing to gamble. I've played less than an orbit and got two outered once.

A euro donk who i was familiar with sits down, and i raise to 15 with J7o. He calls in the BB. Flop comes J 9 6. He bets 15, i go all in for 300. He is about to muck, but i tel him im gambling and want action etc etc. Finally he calls me with T9. The turn and river come Q K, rivering him a straight. We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight, and the dealer doesnt either, so she picks up his cards, they touch the muck, then she goes, oh wait, flips them back over, notices he has the straight and ships him the pot. I call floor, to no avail.

Am i wrong to flip out here?

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Yes. Cards speak and he tabled his hand.

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I'm on the fence here.
Here in lies the problem, he didn't muck the cards. you wrote "We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight".

Most places, "Cards Speak" the fact that he tabled the hand and the dealer mucked it(or almost mucked it) i feel that the pot is his. If he tabled his cards, then he HIMSELF through the cards in the muck then i feel the pot is yours. He does not have to technically announce his hand, he merely has to show it and the pot goes to the best hand.

The 2 things i think you are stuck on is that the dealer accidentally mucked his hand, when she should not have and he ALSO did not know he had a straight. If he turned his hand over and said "I have a straight" but the dealer mucked his hand anyway would you make the same argument.

Unfortunately i don't think that not knowing you have the winning hand on a tabled hand loses the right to the pot.

Stupid on his part but its his pot.

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I agree with rubixx

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We both table our hands

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You lose. Good day, sir.

Did you really think the floor was going to award the worst hand the pot after both hands were tabled?

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If he turned his hand over and said "I have a straight" but the dealer mucked his hand anyway would you make the same argument.

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There's no "if". This is exactly what happened. He turned up his cards and said, "I have a straight."

OK, he didn't say it, but THE CARDS SAID IT, which is the same thing.

Yes, the cards said it. The cards spoke. That's their job.

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game. Im playing every hand for fun and making it known im willing to gamble. I've played less than an orbit and got two outered once.

A euro donk who i was familiar with sits down, and i raise to 15 with J7o. He calls in the BB. Flop comes J 9 6. He bets 15, i go all in for 300. He is about to muck, but i tel him im gambling and want action etc etc. Finally he calls me with T9. The turn and river come Q K, rivering him a straight. We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight, and the dealer doesnt either, so she picks up his cards, they touch the muck, then she goes, oh wait, flips them back over, notices he has the straight and ships him the pot. I call floor, to no avail.

Am i wrong to flip out here?

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Yes you're wrong and pretty crappy to even try it.

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game.

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Might want to learn the rules in a smaller game first.

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The 2 things i think you are stuck on is that the dealer accidentally mucked his hand, when she should not have

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Doesn't matter.

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and he ALSO did not know he had a straight.

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Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter + doesn't matter = doesn't matter.

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game.

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Might want to learn the rules in a smaller game first.

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nh

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We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight

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OH NOEZ!!11!! TEH STRAIGHTZORZ!!1!

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Once the cards are tabled, cards speak.

You lose.

Always.

You have absolutely no argument. Go home and flip out on your own time.

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Once the cards are table, cards speak.

You lose.

Always.

You have absolutely no argument.

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But... but... he wanted the pot!

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And the dealer made a mistake. Doesn't that make it his pot?




















/yes, I'm joking/

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Obviously there's no way to settle this. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Obviously there's no way to settle this. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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nh

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Am i wrong to flip out here?

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Yes. Cards Speak.

Next Question.

dead wrong
 

A hand that has been turned face up and is clearly the winning hand cannot be killed on a technicality or dealer error. Any room that doesn't follow this essential policy would never see my business again.

Al

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yeah, you are; you basically begged him into the pot, and he took it down. If you had kept your mouth shut, you wouldn't have lost, and the proper hand should be awarded the pot...

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It might be a tougher sell if the dealer had mucked the hand and it was irretrievable. You would almost certainly still lose this one on a floor decision, but as long as the hand is clearly retrivable from the muck, then it is entirely proper to do so.

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You're a douche for trying to get the pot shipped to you when it's clear you had the losing hand.

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Yes, you are wrong.

Floor is right.

Cards speak.

Not sure who's play was worse - yours or his - both disgusting.

That is all.

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Sry, did not read all the replies.

OP, you have a guy who you can talk into a bad call of an all in. So then he gets fugged out of the pot by a mistake by the dealer? You are thinking short term.

And what you did is an angle shot. Shame on you.

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We both table our hands

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Am i wrong to flip out here?


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Yes.

b

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HHIG

Next case please.

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but i tel him im gambling

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--AwwInBaby

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I cannot start to explain my feeling at how low the level of ethics and morals has sunk around here. How very very sad.

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I cannot start to explain my feeling at how low the level of ethics and morals has sunk around here. How very very sad.

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Because everyone is telling him he's angle-shooting scum? What did they do before, talk about how they stayed vigins until they were married and never cheated on an exam, then address the topic?

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I cannot start to explain my feeling at how low the level of ethics and morals has sunk around here. How very very sad.

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I'll assume you're referring to the OP.

Very sad indeed.

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game.

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Might want to learn the rules in a smaller game first.

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Best post in the thread.

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I'm on the fence here.
Here in lies the problem, he didn't muck the cards. you wrote "We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight".

Most places, "Cards Speak" the fact that he tabled the hand and the dealer mucked it(or almost mucked it) i feel that the pot is his. If he tabled his cards, then he HIMSELF through the cards in the muck then i feel the pot is yours. He does not have to technically announce his hand, he merely has to show it and the pot goes to the best hand.

The 2 things i think you are stuck on is that the dealer accidentally mucked his hand, when she should not have and he ALSO did not know he had a straight. If he turned his hand over and said "I have a straight" but the dealer mucked his hand anyway would you make the same argument.

Unfortunately i don't think that not knowing you have the winning hand on a tabled hand loses the right to the pot.

Stupid on his part but its his pot.

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thank you for the only useful response.

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Nice angle...too bad it didn't work...NOT

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Am i wrong to flip out here?

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We both table our hands

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Sounds like the best hand won here.

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I'm on the fence here.
Here in lies the problem, he didn't muck the cards. you wrote "We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight".

Most places, "Cards Speak" the fact that he tabled the hand and the dealer mucked it(or almost mucked it) i feel that the pot is his. If he tabled his cards, then he HIMSELF through the cards in the muck then i feel the pot is yours. He does not have to technically announce his hand, he merely has to show it and the pot goes to the best hand.

The 2 things i think you are stuck on is that the dealer accidentally mucked his hand, when she should not have and he ALSO did not know he had a straight. If he turned his hand over and said "I have a straight" but the dealer mucked his hand anyway would you make the same argument.

Unfortunately i don't think that not knowing you have the winning hand on a tabled hand loses the right to the pot.

Stupid on his part but its his pot.

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thank you for the only response not pointing out my jackassery.

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