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Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

My thoughts ZJ's post on the subject, I think this is relevant:

I did a quick count from the more recent 100 posts on the STT forum main page.

6 $100+ posts with content
41 Low stakes posts
53 OT, LC, NC Posts

Ever wonder why high stakes don't like to post here much? I mean honestly, what are they going to gain? Anyways, a new forum would be a good idea.

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

I voted yes and 100+

I think the 100+9's probably have a lot more in common with the 500+30's than they do with the 10+1's!

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All of the OT social posts would hopefully stay in low and we could have some serious poker knowledge exchange going on in the hi forum.

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You know I was all for this, until this part made me pause a little. One thing that's cool about STTF now is the comaraderie from the top to the bottom. Would curtains or raptor ever read Ilya or Lori's posts any more? Maybe we should call it STTF and STTF-special-high-stakes-strategy-unit. Ala Law and Order. Rolls right off the tongue doesn't it? This way maybe the real STTF stays the social hangout and the high-stakes-ers don't abandon us.


Edit: just saw your stuff about keeping it over there. I'll post this there too.

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Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

Will anypne who has played both Stars and Party agree that Star's $60's are comparable to Party's $109's and the $27's to the $55's?

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

bigballz,

No.

Wtf are you getting that idea?

Yugoslav

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Will anypne who has played both Stars and Party agree that Star's $60's are comparable to Party's $109's and the $27's to the $55's?

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I don't think that's true at all

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

I think judgement on individual $100 hands needs to be used before they are posted in the higher forum. Some may belong there. Many will not.

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Alright thanks, I have not played party past the $22's since I moved to Stars, but this is what I have been told. Confirmed wrong!

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Will anypne who has played both Stars and Party agree that Star's $60's are comparable to Party's $109's and the $27's to the $55's?

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I don't think that's true at all

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I do

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

just keep bumping it

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Eh, it's not like we get that many $100s posts. Think of it as AAA for the big boys.

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I think splitting the forum is not a great idea.

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Alright thanks, I have not played party past the $22's since I moved to Stars, but this is what I have been told. Confirmed wrong!

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Are we talking turbos vs. speed? Actually I have no idea anymore b/c I've played so few speed tournies on party. I also have played no non turbo Stars STTs...so unless you're talking about just turbo vs. old party STTs whatever I think is completely useless rather than 90% useless, [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

FWIW Lori agrees with you and Durron but isn't happy about it, [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img].

Yugoslav

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bigballz,

No.

Wtf are you getting that idea?

Yugoslav

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I know a decent amount of people who have said the PP $55s are way softer than the PS $60s. (ok 2 or 3) Never heard anyone who has played both say they are comparable. Now whether the $60s are comparable to the $109s, haven't heard much on that.

And is any of this at all relevant to the proposed board split? No.

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I think splitting the forum is not a great idea.

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*nod*

Us world champs will lose all of our fanboys.

Yugoslav

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Will anypne who has played both Stars and Party agree that Star's $60's are comparable to Party's $109's and the $27's to the $55's?

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Stars 60's are a LOT easier than Party 109s.

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Eh, it's not like we get that many $100s posts. Think of it as AAA for the big boys.

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Not that I am saying that I agree with ZeeJustin, but his point is that with a high stakes SnG forum the high stakes players will post more.

I honestly don't care about the results of this poll. I want to see Gramps, Rojosox, Daliman, Gigabet, raptor, Unarmed, citanul, strassa2, etc. (if he still plays SnGs which I am not sure about) etc. etc. etc. say they will post more hands. We already have two people saying they will post (ZJ and Jman), but two people does not a forum make.

<font color="white">curtains did not make the above list because he already posts a lot</font>

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

Why split the forum? If all the "good/serious" discussion is going in the $100+ forum, who's going to read the low stakes forum?

Everyone here who isn't already at that level is trying to get there, so we'd all just read and post to that forum.

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And is any of this at all relevant to the proposed board split? No.

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Think about it, it sorta is when considereing where the cutoff is. Alright the $60's is pushing it

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

I'm against this for one reason. All the best players will only read the High forum, and we will never get their input on our hands. It's not like I expect ZJ or Giga to respond to any of my HH's now either, but if I happen to post a hand that isn't clear cut at least now there is a chance some of the better players at this forum will notice it.

Also the thought of this being the forum with all the clutter/OT and the other forum being the one for serious pokerdiscussion might ruin this one. People won't bother with the smallstakes anymore.

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I think splitting the forum is not a great idea.

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Well that throws a damper on things.

I think my biggest reason for being all for it is that it's human nature to like new stuff, and get into all into it for a while. So we would probably be guaranteed some pretty good strategy discussion, at least for a while until everyone got bored with it and went back to the same patterns as before.

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

I still don't understand what downsides this could have. Worst case scenario is that the forum is not all that active, but no one is suggesting taking down the stud forum just because it's not very active. Plenty of meaningful discussion goes on there.

Re: One-month moratorium please
 

Why in the heck are you bringing this up now?

Let's wait a month for everything to settle down. Then maybe we can have this discussion with actual data about hands posted and give the new structure time to sink in with everyone. There's a ton of noise right now because of everything going on (STTF, party structure change.)

In the meantime, how about the high-stakes players try posting a few hands and see how it goes?

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

As I said in the other thread, I totally support the split. I haven't completely stopped posting, but I have posted much less than I used to, and I promise to post more in the new forum.

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And is any of this at all relevant to the proposed board split? No.

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Think about it, it sorta is when considereing where the cutoff is. Alright the $60's is pushing it

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Right trying to push for the PS $60s to be included and not the PP $55s is a surefire recipe to just piss people off and get nothing done. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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And is any of this at all relevant to the proposed board split? No.

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Think about it, it sorta is when considereing where the cutoff is. Alright the $60's is pushing it

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Right trying to push for the PS $60s to be included and not the PP $55s is a surefire recipe to just piss people off and get nothing done. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I agree, you gotta cut it off at some point. $100+ is what I voted for anyways

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I think splitting the forum is not a great idea.

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Well that throws a damper on things.

I think my biggest reason for being all for it is that it's human nature to like new stuff, and get into all into it for a while. So we would probably be guaranteed some pretty good strategy discussion, at least for a while until everyone got bored with it and went back to the same patterns as before.

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curtains loves (don't ask me why) reading and posting low hands, i'd bet any amount of money that he'd still linger in small stakes

(this isn't a knock, i wouldn't be where i am today if not for him posting in those threads for me and others)

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If there were 2 forums I'd almost always read the high stakes one, but it'd probably be pretty boring.

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Often times low limit threads have an "answer". Once the OP realizes that answer, there is no point in discussing the hand anymore, and the thread dissapears.

In many high stakes hands, there are no "answers" and heavy discussion is required. Threads will often have many new posts in them for the better part of a week before they dissapear. A specific forum w/ much less volume would be a lot more condusive to those discussions.

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Often times low limit threads have an "answer". Once the OP realizes that answer, there is no point in discussing the hand anymore, and the thread dissapears.

In many high stakes hands, there are no "answers" and heavy discussion is required. Threads will often have many new posts in them for the better part of a week before they dissapear. A specific forum w/ much less volume would be a lot more condusive to those discussions.

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That makes sense...

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I have no doubt a HS forum will create a lot of great discussion (if it means more high stakes players actually starts posting hands). But I fear it will lessen the quality of the lower stakes one.

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I think splitting the forum is not a great idea.

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Agree 100%!!!

Re: Should We Split The Forum? The Poll
 

Yes, $200+

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I have no doubt a HS forum will create a lot of great discussion (if it means more high stakes players actually starts posting hands). But I fear it will lessen the quality of the lower stakes one.

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It will for sure.

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I voted YES and 100+

I just worry about the fact that that there is not enough people around here....I'm being pretty picky here...this is probably the BEST place to get feedback, etc, but sometimes no one responds to a post, or there is just one or two opinions..

frequently I am the ONLY person to respond to a post....and I'm am not even close to being enough of a pro for my opinion to be trusted as true...

Splitting this forum up won't make this any worse I guess

are there so little serious players out there, or can they just not find 2+2?

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I have no doubt a HS forum will create a lot of great discussion (if it means more high stakes players actually starts posting hands). But I fear it will lessen the quality of the lower stakes one.

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yea it probably will. but it will increase the quality of responses to the high stakes posts