weak tight fright night feels right
 

100/200 live, time pot, 7 players dealt in.

In the hijack Millie opens. I 3-bet JJ from the button, she 4-bets, I call (5b cap).


History -- our last online session a few days ago she (or at least, her screenname, PokerSnoopy) tortured me. In the big picture I know she respects my game and I think in general she plays me pretty straight forward. She is recently seated tonight and this is our first pot vs eachother.


Flop AA8. She checks, I check. Turn 6. She bets, I call. River 4. She bets, I fold.

Thoughts?

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I think betting the flop would have made this hand easier to play. If you really believe her, then you can fold to a flop check-raise. If she only calls, now you have the option of seeing a showdown for just 1 SB more than what you paid. If you think you're ahead then you can continue to v-bet.

~andy

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i think pokersnoopy is awful.. someone tell me i'm wrong?

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How can she ever have a worse hand than JJ? It would be an insane weird/sophisticated bluff, to check the flop, when she has a chance to steal it for 1SB right here.

The turn is a fold, she has KK or QQ always here.

I feel like I've made a lot of money in my life playing these spots right. For folding to be wrong, she has to be one level 1 or 3. Either checking just because she has nothing (very unlikely) or checking with nothing to represent WA/WB to move you off a hand exactly like you had (super unlikely).

This fold is a lot easier to make on 2+2, than in real life though.

After calling the turn, river fold is a must - you seem to play the river really well in general from what I've seen.

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Maybe not super expert, but far from awful right? She's been a high stakes regular for a long time now.

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yeah i guess i meant among people who seem to turn a profit, however amazlingly

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i think pokersnoopy is awful.. someone tell me i'm wrong?

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You seem to have ridiculously high standards.

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that sounds right

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yeah i guess i meant among people who seem to turn a profit, however amazlingly

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lol [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] *thinks back to table chat earlier*

As for the hand itself... I think it's real a good fold... Against a 4-bet you're boned each and every time it seems, sometimes a chop with JJ.

Expert laydown that'd never be correct online but makes a lot of sense live [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i think pokersnoopy is awful.. someone tell me i'm wrong?

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meh very mediocre imo. i can think of alot of people i'd rather see at my tables though. besides that though, she tilted me harder than i ever have before after 1 hand (huge brag for her obv):

POKERSTARS GAME #10316117811: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($100/$200) - 2007/06/07 - 12:21:32 (ET)
Table 'Ninina II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PokerSnoopy ($4717 in chips)
Seat 2: joker122 ($7184.50 in chips)
PokerSnoopy: posts small blind $50
joker122: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joker122 [Qh Qc]
PokerSnoopy: raises $100 to $200
joker122: raises $100 to $300
PokerSnoopy: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Td 4d 6s]
joker122: bets $100
PokerSnoopy: calls $100
*** TURN *** [Td 4d 6s] [8c]
joker122: bets $200
PokerSnoopy: raises $200 to $400
joker122: raises $200 to $600
PokerSnoopy: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Td 4d 6s 8c] [5c]
joker122: bets $200
PokerSnoopy: raises $200 to $400
joker122: calls $200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PokerSnoopy: shows [7c Qs] (a straight, Four to Eight)
joker122: mucks hand
PokerSnoopy collected $2799 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2800 | Rake $1
Board [Td 4d 6s 8c 5c]
Seat 1: PokerSnoopy (button) (small blind) showed [7c Qs] and won ($2799) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 2: joker122 (big blind) mucked [Qh Qc]

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i think pokersnoopy is awful.. someone tell me i'm wrong?

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You seem to have ridiculously high standards.

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it's just that he's alot better than most of the people he plays. i'm not being sarcastic, and i hate to admit it because his chat usually annoys me.

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meh very mediocre imo. i can think of alot of people i'd rather see at my tables though.

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yeah i agree.. i gotta admit though when i see PS at the tables i do perk up a bit

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"If you really believe her, then you can fold to a flop check-raise."

this is the best line.

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ive played with her live a few times. she's not great but easily good enough to beat any live 1-2 game. newhizz said she was great but he says that about everyone.

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The Q7 hand looks completely standard and I could easily play it like her.

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The Q7 hand looks completely standard and I could easily play it like her.

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never said she played it poorly, i just will always remember that hand as one that tilted me really hard. we were HU and she was already up about 30bb on me, hitting all sorts of 3 and 5 outters, and then that happened...

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You're not gonna get c/r on the flop. How is this not obvious?

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hey mikey, thought about this one for a bit and i think you're right.

would she ever check anything on the flop to give you possibly 6 cards to catch up? then bet turn & riv expecting to be called by a worse hand or getting a better hand to fold?

i'd say given that she did both, you're crushed here. she almost certainly has KK/QQ imo trying to minimize pot size & get you to call/bluff w/ worse hands. i think inducing w/ A top kicker might not be what she'd wanna do since she may get a bit more action by betting the flop. furthersince it is a time pot i think it makes crazy plays less likely and narrows that range.

Barron

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she plays much more abc live than online from my experience. i dont even think she would play QQ live this way. Either she has quads or KK in this hand.