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i have A8 preflop..

i raise in CO..villain calls in sb. he is a reg winner 24/18.

flop 853 rainbow... he bets out 16/32... i make it 42.. he makes it 133.. what do you do now?

eff stacks 400

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its very important how he perceives you are atleast how you think he does

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o sorry i am tag reg... on more than one of his tables... 20/11

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i would likely call and call the turn.

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I would also call flop, probably call turn.
When you raise, do you plan on getting it in?
If not i don't like your raise because i don't see him bet calling with too many hands. And by folding you just build a pot that you are going to give away with decent equity.
I would rather raise this flop with air and hands that you are comfortable getting it in with.

I guess this could be way off, please correct me if that's the case.

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I'd call flop and evaluate turns. The flop call should slow him down, too.

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Fold standard, but i know when i was at 2/4 sometimes i'd weaklead and watch people raise me and then 3-bet with air. this is mostly knowing ur player right here

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Dont raise if you are folding to this 3-bet.

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Umm fold? He would lead sets and overpairs and make this same play with them right? Or two pair? I can't think of a hand you are ahead of minus 57/79 but why would he repop them?

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You really shouldn't be reraising this flop if you don't have a plan on what to do if he 3bets.

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call flop $16. His intention was to B3B, so fold...

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I agree with dark here.

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his fold sb to steal is very important

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push.

Good chance he has air/straight draw, and a lot turn cards can make you make a mistake (solid reasoning, I know). If he has a set/overpair, nh.

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I really like folding here. It's a tough spot no doubt about it. I think other posters are right. If you didn't have a plan for him 3 betting you should call the flop bet. I don't really see what you are beating here.

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20/11 raises a8 preflop? wowowow

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I really like folding here. It's a tough spot no doubt about it. I think other posters are right. If you didn't have a plan for him 3 betting you should call the flop bet. I don't really see what you are beating here.

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i bet/3bet overs here a lot vs ppl that frequently raise my donk bets (most tags these days do). My above advice only fits if hero frequently raises donkbets. If not, its an obvoius fold.

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this is a spot where i love calling with TPTK, i.e., not raising the flop.

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Villian raises 18% preflop. Barring some unpredictable trickiness (reads?), he repops preflop with mosts overpairs to this board. His holdings are drawy, light and funky often enough to call profitably here, reevaluating on 4th, and shoving on many blanks

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20/11 raises a8 preflop? wowowow

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Do some math, from the CO its in his range.

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Villian raises 18% preflop. Barring some unpredictable trickiness (reads?), he repops preflop with mosts overpairs to this board. His holdings are drawy, light and funky often enough to call profitably here, reevaluating on 4th, and shoving on many blanks

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How isn't a set right in his range? He's not lead/3-betting one pair.

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How isn't a set right in his range?

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Yep. A set is most of his range unless our hero has been re-raising a lot recently or villain is tilty. Without some other mitigating factors our reverse implied odds blow and we should be folding this most of the time.

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as others have said. this raise sucks unless it's purpose was to goad him into three-betting light.

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lol what worse hand were you expecting to call a raise?

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repeat after me:

"He is not messing with me. He's playing his own game as i'm playing mine. I now must fold."

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on this hand villain had AT .. and i was villain..

i don't really know what my opponent had but i think he had at least a pair cuz he timed down and folded.

i was just wondering what the general perception of this play was from. figured the best way to evaluate objectively was to switch around the players to see what hands can actually call the raise...

now what do you guys think of the play from my perspective?

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I really like folding here. It's a tough spot no doubt about it. I think other posters are right. If you didn't have a plan for him 3 betting you should call the flop bet. I don't really see what you are beating here.

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i bet/3bet overs here a lot vs ppl that frequently raise my donk bets (most tags these days do). My above advice only fits if hero frequently raises donkbets. If not, its an obvoius fold.

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this was the situation and my read in the hand exactly.. i had AT and led out to steal.. but when he raised with XX to 42.. i thought he was just restealing the hand ..

this play is pretty good with up/down straight draw as well as sets obviously