KK what to do on later streats?
 

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $189
UTG+1: $759.40
CO: $514.95
Hero: $527
SB: $762.33
BB: $481

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($54, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $42</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $110</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($274, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $135</font>

Villain is 24/15/6.5/2.1/1.2 WSD:22 $SD:39
Am i calling here and planning to call river if it`s not a 9 or 4?

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

if it blanks and he shoves at you, you should at least consider folding.. his river AF isn't that agro. But sometimes I also call/call.

(how many hands is sample over?)

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

i think i bet 54$ on the flop and fold to a raise but not sure. Heads up i would check this flop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

As played i take the tricky call turn line because villain will often bluff the River.

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

move all in or fold

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

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move all in or fold

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why?

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

1-tons of scare cards
2-villian often wont bluff river ui
3-charge him for his draw
4-make him think u got a draw(if he has made hande not &gt;kk)
5-u got best turn other than spiking a king.
6-pot is huge and u only got like 230 after u call into a pot that will be 500

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

I would seriously consider folding flop after you have cbet into 2 players on this board.

As played, I guess I shove.

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oh I didn't see it was 3 way on flop .. but then again its also button vs blinds

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

I hate moving in, because i turn my hand into a bluff.

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River is 8s and he checks.
1.The str8 draw missed and hit TP, i really don`t give him credit for a 2
2.My str8 draw missed and i made TP in his oppinion?
3.Would he check a FH, Str8 to induce a bluff?

He could have some kind of overpair,top 2 are likely.
Stupid question: What you think about pushing for value?

And what you think of my thesis?

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I hate moving in, because i turn my hand into a bluff.

[/ QUOTE ]this is wrong and u'll be amazing at what they call with.watch any good nl player and see if just call in this spot

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

I definitely push or fold.
Come on, we have like 220 behind in a 544 pot.
He will feel commited with many holdings we beat and he is too short to make a river bluff likely.

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1-tons of scare cards
2-villian often wont bluff river ui
3-charge him for his draw
4-make him think u got a draw(if he has made hande not &gt;kk)
5-u got best turn other than spiking a king.
6-pot is huge and u only got like 230 after u call into a pot that will be 500

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I basically agree with this. I think once we call turn, he's probably giving up on river if he misses his draws (if he's drawing), so if we're planning on calling down here we may as well put it in now since he's not folding a big draw.

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The advantage is, that i could fold if a 9 or 2 is rivered, and the 8 wouldn`t fold on the turn, but most likely bluff river.
I don`t like pushing the turn, because i can`t fold out the draw, don`t get his river bluff and if all money gets in i am most likely way behind.

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

Push river for value? River was 8s?

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

I jam turn here usually

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

yah you're gonna have to go alllll innnnn

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

You mean on turn or on river?
baluga, i would really apreciate a reasoning for why pushing turn or river.

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

Can someone exlain me the updsiedes of shoving turn?

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Can someone exlain me the updsiedes of shoving turn?

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i gave u 5 of them

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

call and fold to any riv resistance

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

So plz give me some of them.

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

I like shoving here. If he has 76 you just nutted him. If he has a draw you have to charge him. I think shoving is a very solid option.

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So plz give me some of them.

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See above.

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

I think that`s not reson enough. If wegive him credit for 76, he can have Fh and str, too.

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

if he has 76 he isnt calling

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

really seems like he got some over pair here alot.. the turn looks like a good card for u.. i would call flop/then push turn..

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

when someone c/r a drawheavy flop like this and then lead for 1/2 pot when the board pairs its a lock very often in my experience, I probably just fold the turn.

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I think that`s not reson enough. If wegive him credit for 76, he can have Fh and str, too.

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then fold the turn if u feel he has that. make a read. u cannot just call

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

My read was he has an 8 and willbluff river

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

only the most retarded villians would bluff a blank river

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

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only the most retarded villians would bluff a blank river

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or genius

Re: KK what to do on later streats?
 

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only the most retarded villians would bluff a blank river

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this is a very strong argument for calling

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only the most retarded villians would bluff a blank river

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this is a very strong argument for calling

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yeah except that there are a ton of non blanks

any diamond, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, and probably 3 are pretty damn bluffable cards and if I was bluffing here as villain i'd certainly push any of them on the river.

i just can't see myself folding when the 5 comes on the turn, i think we just have to give him a chance to make a bad call with 76, 87 or 88+ or something. calling the turn and then folding half of the time on the river doesn't seem good to me

i could def be wrong here though

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only the most retarded villians would bluff a blank river

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this is a very strong argument for calling

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yeah except that there are a ton of non blanks

any diamond, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, and probably 3 are pretty damn bluffable cards and if I was bluffing here as villain i'd certainly push any of them on the river.

i just can't see myself folding when the 5 comes on the turn, i think we just have to give him a chance to make a bad call with 76, 87 or 88+ or something. calling the turn and then folding half of the time on the river doesn't seem good to me

i could def be wrong here though

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These are basically my thoughts as well. Shove the turn.