WSOP 5k, lets get crazy vs Nordberg
 

Previous to this hand i have been super tight until i made the big preflop call with A9cc vs Berman to beat his J5cc. I now have like 21 or 22k, but previous to that call i had been raising pre almost never.

Nordberg has a big stack (50? 60?) and has been flat calling people a lot pre, though never me because i was so rarely raising. He'd also been calling people down pretty light on like 2nd pair type stuff(and was always right), though i'm not sure how he'd handle me post because of my image. Lets wrap things up here:

Me: 21kish
Him: 55kish

I am MP3 holding Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], blinds 400/800 with 100 ante.

Preflop: Folds to hero, hero raises to 2200, HJ folds, NB calls on CO, button and blinds fold.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets 3200, NB calls without to much thought.


At this point theres 13000 in the pot. I have like 16k behind me. If turn comes a T i will likely just bet since I can see him checking back on that card quite a lot.

However, if turn is a heart what are peoples thoughts on my plan?

Does anyone like check-shoving over a bet of 5k or less and check folding to a larger bet?
Do you prefer a different line such as leading like 10k which obviously commits me?
Do people check-fold at all?

Thoughts overall?

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eh, Nordberg plays good. I'm not crazy about firing a second barrel or check raising all in. I doubt Nordberg ever bets 5k or less when you check to him on the turn here, and if he does I think you're in trouble.

If the turn is a T I'd bet again. If its a heart I'd probably bet again too, I might just jam.

I'm obviously a weak tight nit, but I'm check folding a lot on a blank turn here.

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eh, Nordberg plays good. I'm not crazy about firing a second barrel or check raising all in. I doubt Nordberg ever bets 5k or less when you check to him on the turn here, and if he does I think you're in trouble.

If the turn is a T I'd bet again. If its a heart I'd probably bet again too, I might just jam.

I'm obviously a weak tight nit, but I'm check folding a lot on a blank turn here.

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i pretty much agree with everything said here.

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If the turn is a heart a shove seems right with your ultra tight image.

How has he been playing out of the blinds though? If he's been calling raises light out of the blinds I'd lean toward even shoving a blank turn, hard to see him calling you down light here.

I don't see a Check-Raise all in as an option here at all, seems that whatever he bets you have no fold equity over.

If the turn bricks, and it goes check check. And the river bricks, a shove here could be good since you're image is very tight, and it's likely that he was trying to control the pot against you making his river calling range of a 16k overshove pretty tight.

I also think you should have C-bet more, he's been calling light with marginal holdings such as 2nd pair, so larger c-bet from a tight raiser will probably make him dump his weaker holdings.

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I"m just giving up here. If you catch a heart jamming is probably best but even that I'm not crazy about. Lead again if you make a straight.

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I c/f unless the turn is a heart or a ten. If its a heart or a ten I bet like 2/3 pot and call a shove. If its a queen or a nine I might c/c but thats unlikely.

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your flop bet is too small assuming 9-handed (3200 into 6500 pot?), dunno if you're just guesstimating though

i think going for a c/r on any turn is pretty bad.

shove a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn

if turn is a T, i just go ahead and check and don't care if he checks behind, then shove like most rivers

if turn is a Q, then i c/something and read his soul for whether he has 2-pair or air if he bets

anything else c/f

Re: WSOP 5k, lets get crazy vs Nordberg
 

Seems pretty clear we should check a blank turn and lead a heart or T. Whether to shove or bet a committing amount on them depends on metagame. If you can't think of any excuse to do one or the other, whatever, they're both fine.

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i think going for a c/r on any turn is pretty bad.

shove a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn

if turn is a T, i just go ahead and check and don't care if he checks behind, then shove like most rivers


anything else c/f

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eh, Nordberg plays good. I'm not crazy about firing a second barrel or check raising all in. I doubt Nordberg ever bets 5k or less when you check to him on the turn here, and if he does I think you're in trouble.

If the turn is a T I'd bet again. If its a heart I'd probably bet again too, I might just jam.

I'm obviously a weak tight nit, but I'm check folding a lot on a blank turn here.

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Post more. Oh, and agree.

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I doubt Nordberg ever bets 5k or less when you check to him on the turn here, and if he does I think you're in trouble.

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Nice read, I bet 4500 and was definitely looking for a jam.

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I doubt Nordberg ever bets 5k or less when you check to him on the turn here, and if he does I think you're in trouble.

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Nice read, I bet 4500 and was definitely looking for a jam.

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LOL, i remember you had this really disappointed look on your face when i folded. GL if you made it through, you play very well.

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BTW, 0evg0, the std C bet in live appears to be considerably smaller in live than online, however, because i am playing another good thinking player i think your right that i should increase it some.

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I think I'd just fold PF due to your stack size and the type of play behind you. I would raise with like 35-45k though. And would go allin with something like 8-10k and would also raise one position closer to the button even with your stack size. So not that big a deal really. I also have a lot of fear so I might just check the flop against an aggressive giant stack after me. They are simply not folding many made hands at all, and will occasionally do something weird with zero.

btw whenever someone has a dissapointed look on their face when you fold to a bet, it means they had nothing and are trying to pretend like they wanted action, no matter what they say!!!

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so do people only not like checing a heart turn with intention to shove over a bet because our stack isn't big enough to have much of any FE over a typical sized bet? does anyone like it if we have like 30k behind?

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I doubt Nordberg ever bets 5k or less when you check to him on the turn here, and if he does I think you're in trouble.

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Nice read, I bet 4500 and was definitely looking for a jam.

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LOL, i remember you had this really disappointed look on your face when i folded. GL if you made it through, you play very well.

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Yeah, I had three kings. I really thought that even though you had hung around a long time and didn't seem that frustrated that you would make a play on the turn there. Or at least I wanted to give you the chance to. One thing I noticed, on both of the hands where you raised preflop then continuation bet you instantly checked the turn - maybe you just act that fast all the time, but it seemed like you were going to give up both times you checked. Sometimes if you take a minute to think then check people are a little less likely to bet into you. But if you always play that fast I wouldn't worry about it.

I was fairly happy with my play but made a few mistakes late and didn't make day 2. Good luck with the rest of the Series.

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so do people only not like checing a heart turn with intention to shove over a bet because our stack isn't big enough to have much of any FE over a typical sized bet? does anyone like it if we have like 30k behind?

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Nordberg's bet/fold range pretty much includes no hands that we're behind with Q high.